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Offline trentk80

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Re: Spanish Bourbon Infantas
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2011, 07:13:18 AM »
I would have to say that the dress and hair in the portrait looks rather more like one from the 1760s or at the latest, the early 1770s - the stiff pointed bodice, the high hair are similar to portraits of this period rather than to the 1790s.

Thanks for the information, CountessKate. However, it seems that the wide hoops, high hair and stiff pointed bodice were still used at the Spanish court in the late 18th century, as shown in this portrait of Infanta Carlota Joaquina from 1785:

http://www.museodelprado.es/coleccion/galeria-on-line/galeria-on-line/obra/carlota-joaquina-infanta-de-espana-reina-de-portugal/

Is it possible that the style survived a bit longer in Spain?

And secondly because if it was Carlotta-Joaquina, why her husband wouldn't be there too? Maria-Louisa is in the picture with her husband Louis of Parma, so Carlotta-Joaquina should be with her husband the future Joao VI...

According to some authors, Carlota Joaquina is the girl who turns her face away in Goya's family portrait. This was meant to represent that she was away in Portugal.
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Re: Spanish Bourbon Infantas
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2011, 03:15:03 AM »
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However, it seems that the wide hoops, high hair and stiff pointed bodice were still used at the Spanish court in the late 18th century, as shown in this portrait of Infanta Carlota Joaquina from 1785

I agree there was clearly a survival in very formal court fashion for hoops and stiff bodices, but the hair style of the painting of Carlota Joaquina was in the style of the period and does not match the 'Maria Amalia' portrait.  If the latter is an informal portrait - which seems likely as she does not seem to be wearing hoops, and her dress and hair are very plain - then it appears contemporary with the 1760s or early '70s.  In an informal portrait one would expect her to look like her fashionable cousins in Italy and Austria and France, but in a formal portrait it is likely she would have all the trappings of the court princess, with fashionable hair and lots of trimmings and lace along with a stiff bodice and hoops.  Of course, I don't know enough about the portraiture of the court, and this could have been something knocked off by a local artist of no great significance for a family member for a keepsake, like a cheap photo - the results may not be exactly first class.  But as the correspondence between Maria Theresa and Marie Antoinette demonstrates, portraiture was a very important aspect of royal families' presentations of themselves, and the Spanish royal family were no exception, and used to the best quality.

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Re: Spanish Bourbon Infantas
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2011, 10:19:28 AM »
In books I consulted. The young princess is described as a shy, homely, short and clumsy. His handsome cousin Louis of Parma, a thousand times better to marry Marie Louise, though she was not beautiful, if it was cheerful, lively and intelligent. The king saw that would be very difficult to get another advantageous marriage, they decided to marry her to her uncle Antonio Pascual, rude and stupid. preferred this, before his daughter ends up being a spinster.
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Re: Spanish Bourbon Infantas
« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2013, 02:21:39 AM »
I've always liked the charming portraits by Francesco Liani of the daughters of Carlos III:



Maria Isabel (1743-1749)



Maria Josefa (1744-1801)



Maria Luisa (1745-1792)

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Re: Spanish Bourbon Infantas
« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2013, 09:59:20 AM »
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I've always liked the charming portraits by Francesco Liani of the daughters of Carlos III:

I don't know what I was thinking.  Of course the portraits are by Giuseppe Bonito.

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Re: Spanish Bourbon Infantas
« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2013, 11:14:40 AM »



Maria Luisa (1745-1792)
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I am interested in Infanta Maria Luisa of whom I know basically nothing .

Did she play any significant role on the austrian court or did she limited to the usual role of breeding children to her husband and emperor ?

Did she have any special gifts ?

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Re: Spanish Bourbon Infantas
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2013, 10:39:12 AM »


A nice picture of the Infanta Maria Josefa, allegedly by Mengs (though Steffi Roettgen, in her catalogue raisonnÚ, doesn't think so), from Caserta.

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Re: Spanish Bourbon Infantas
« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2013, 04:00:30 PM »
I am interested in Infanta Maria Luisa of whom I know basically nothing .

Did she play any significant role on the austrian court or did she limited to the usual role of breeding children to her husband and emperor ?

Did she have any special gifts ?

You can read something about Maria Luisa (or Maria Ludovica) here:

http://www.habsburger.net/en/chapter/be-fruitful-and-multiply
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Re: Spanish Bourbon Infantas
« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2013, 02:48:48 AM »
She did have a lot of babies...