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The House of Hannover,past and present
« on: July 03, 2005, 07:20:34 PM »
I would like to know much more about Kings and Queens of Hannover!It seems that they stayed in shadow of their British cousins...

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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2005, 07:30:50 PM »
Does anybody have any colour portraits of his wife Queen Marie,their son Ernst August of Cumberland or his wife Crown Princess Thyra,sister of Alexandra and Dagmar?

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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2005, 08:07:07 PM »
I've seen a portrait of Thyra but only in a b&w photograph. It was in the background of a photo of Minny in old age sitting in her room at Hvidore. It's a portrait that sits on an easel behind Minny. I was always taken aback at its prominence considering Thyra didn't seem that close to her sisters. It seems the most prominent in the photo but I don't know what else might have been in the room.
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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2005, 10:27:15 PM »
King Ernest Augustus I and Queen Frederica of Hanover, two of my favorite pre-Victorian royals.

Ernest (aka The Duke of Cumberland), inherited the throne of Hanover from his brother William IV, as due to the Salic law, Victoria could not inherit in Germany.

He was an autocrat, very reactionary, and almost lost his throne.  

He was seen as an evil person in his own time, people on the street avoided him.  He had an eye missing and was suspected in the murder of his valet.

He married his first cousin, Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz and they began to try to produce an heir, even before the death of Princess Charlotte.  He was one step ahead of the Great Marriage Race between his brothers.

His marriage was not approved of by anyone in England, including Queen Charlotte, who was the aunt of Frederica, and for good reason.

Frederica was suspected in the murder of not one but two previous husbands!  They were 1.)Prince Louis of Prussia, who, although they divorced in 1796, died mysteriously soon after, in the same year.  2.)Prince Frederick of Solms-Braunfels, who also died mysteriously and conveniently just in time for Frederica to marry Ernst and produce an heir.  She had 8 or 9 children by the first two hubands.

She was notorious in Germany and England, always involved in various intrigues and affairs.

She and Ernest continually schemed and plotted for the throne of Great Britain, their ultimate prize.

However, they had to settle for Hanover, and she spent the last 4 years of her life as a queen.

King Ernst spent much time in England, bothering his neice Queen Victoria as much as possible and even suing her for Princess Charlotte's jewels, which he believed belonged to the Crown of Hanover.

Ernst and Frederica had one surviving child, George, or "Blind George", who succeeded his father in 1851 as King George V of Hanover.  

George V married Marie of Saxe-Altenberg and had: Ernst August II (married Thyra), Frederica (Baroness Pawel-Rammingen), and  Mary, who died young.

Blind George was deposed in 1866.
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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2005, 11:32:52 PM »
Ernest Augustus (II), son of Blind George, married Princess Thyra of Denmark.  He was Crown Prince of Hanover and Duke of Cumberland.

Their children:
Mary Louisa (1879-1948) married Maximilian, Margrave of Baden

George William, Earl of Armagh (1880-1912)

Alexandra (1882-1963) married Frederick Francis IV, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin

Olga (1884-1958)

Ernest Augustus III, Duke of Brunswick-Luneberg and Prince of Hanover (by this time they'd lost the English titles)(1887-1953) married Victoria Louise of Prussia, daughter of Willy and Dona.

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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2005, 11:35:45 PM »
Children of Ernest Augustus III and Victoria Louise:

Ernest Augustus IV, George William, Frederica (Queen of Greece), Christian, and Guelph Henry.
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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2005, 07:59:05 PM »
Any pictures of the current Ernst of Hanover and his wife (and Children) Caroline of Monoco.  Anybody have and info on why his first marriage failed.  Was not his first wife a commoner?

Who is the current heir and how old is he?  Pictures?

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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2005, 08:51:41 PM »
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Any pictures of the current Ernst of Hanover and his wife (and Children) Caroline of Monoco.  Anybody have and info on why his first marriage failed.  Was not his first wife a commoner?

Who is the current heir and how old is he?  Pictures?

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Caroline and CHantal were good friends.  Chantal had tolerated her husband's infidelties until he went public with his affair with her good friend, Caroline.  Ernst August has also had a serious substance abuse problem, and was recently seriously ill .. he's apparently given up the booze.  If he drinks again, it will kill him.

His heir is his eldest son, Ernst August, born in 1982.
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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2005, 04:38:18 AM »
If Caroline becomes Princess of Monaco will the house name be changed to Hannover?!
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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2005, 07:54:07 AM »
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If Caroline becomes Princess of Monaco will the house name be changed to Hannover?!


No the "House" name will stay Grimaldi (Spelling?).

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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2005, 07:08:39 PM »
Yes, the house name Grimaldi (you spelled that right. :) ) will remain the same. Princess Caroline is referred to as Priness of Hanover because that title outranks her title in Monaco.  Traditionally, in Monaco she is HSH Princess Caroline Louise Margeurite Grimaldi of Monaco. Since the HRH title outranks that, she is called HRH Princess Caroline of Hanover. Her hubby is the current head of the house of Hanover, Prince Ernst. Their daughter Alexandra is somewhere in line for the British throne as well as Monaco's. Also, Princess Alexandra is the only child of Princess Caroline to hold a royal title.
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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2005, 10:24:38 PM »
Here's a picture of Caroline in one of the family tiaras

http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/hannover/hannover-blueten-diadem-1.htm
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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2005, 12:46:10 AM »
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Their daughter Alexandra is somewhere in line for the British throne as well as Monaco's.


I've wondered about that (Alexandra being in line for Monaco). I know there's little chance that Alexandra will be reigning princess of Monaco (what with 3 older half-siblings) but she's being raised a Lutheran (the religion of the House of Hannover) while Monaco is offically a Roman Catholic Country (in it's constitution) that has never had a non-RC at its head. Is that going to be a problem on the very rare chance Alexandra succeeds to Monaco?

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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2005, 03:21:44 PM »
Anyone know anything about Ernest August's brother who committed suicide in 1988?
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Re: The House of Hannover,past and present
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2005, 10:49:22 PM »
His brother's name was Louis Rudolph (I just went and looked it up) and his wife was Countess Isabella von Thurn und Valsassina and she also died in 1988.  They had only been married the previous year.
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