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« on: July 12, 2005, 11:58:46 AM »
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I am wondering if Maria Feodorovna received a Dagmar necklace from her father upon her marriage, as her sister Alexandra had.   Or would that have been a no-no since she had converted to Orthodoxy?  Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated.

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« on: July 18, 2005, 01:03:33 PM »
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 Gosh, what an interesting question! I can only assume that, since Alexandra got one when she married, that Marie (or Dagmar if that's more correct) would have received one as well.If anyone has further details I'd love to hear about it. Smiley
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« on: July 21, 2005, 10:33:29 AM »
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If I remember correctly, in Little Mother of Russia, she did receive a copy of the Dagmar necklace as her sister did upon her marriage.  I will double check this evening to be sure.
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« on: July 21, 2005, 02:32:18 PM »
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If possible, please post a pic or a description of the piece.  Would it have been identical to Alexandra's?
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« on: July 13, 2009, 05:35:28 PM »
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Was this her necklace?


Can you post photos of her jewels?
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« on: July 25, 2009, 01:49:07 AM »
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It looks like costume jewllery - where did you find the picture?. She had a sapphire choker and she wore the sapphire at the back...She's wearing the choker in the pictures below:








I know this piece from one of the books on the english royal jewels (by suzy menkes I think) and it is covered there, though I don't have the book with me at the moment to look it up properly.

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« on: July 25, 2009, 02:36:27 AM »
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Kaiserin Alzbeta Sissi ,

Why did you call Empress Maria Fedorovna "Minnie" as if she was your personal friend or a relative? It's disrespectful to a person whom you never knew. The other topics on her in this Forum contain "Maria Fedorovna" naming, here's a serious discussion not a chatting-room.
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« on: July 25, 2009, 03:36:43 AM »
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Referencing "Svetabels's" post # 2:  "Svetabel," I concur entirely in your observation/s in your Post # 2.  This topic comes up cyclically with the influx of new/younger members, and not solely the one that you mentioned.  I believe that "Sarushka" delivered a gentle lecture on this very topic sometime back.  Using the correct names/titles is never impolite.  The mawkish adulation of PUBLICLY using personal, family names IS NOT de rigueur in anyone's culture, particularly when you are NOT a member of that family.  It is simply a fawning attempt to feel "closer" to people who would never have given them such an opportunity to be close to, in the first place.  This can especially be seen on this and other sites, in the grotesque number of "pet" names (many of which can be documented to NEVER have been actually used) given to the last four tiresome grand duchesses of the Emperor Nicholas II's immediate family.  The greatest and "lamest" excuse usually put forth when challenged, is simply "laziness" :  e.g.  "I just find it easier to type such a nick-name  ("Minnie," "Sasha," "Nicky," etc., ad nauseam) than to spell it out in full !"    AP
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« on: July 25, 2009, 09:15:22 AM »
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Aleksandr:

I read your post with interesting and understanding until I came to the part where you call the four daughters of Nicholas II "tiresome".  What's so tiresome about them?  They were born into the IF and I accept them as they were - not as I might wish them to be.

I don't feel it is fair to dismiss them with one fell swoop, as Shakespeare would say.

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Referencing "Svetabels's" post # 2:  "Svetabel," I concur entirely in your observation/s in your Post # 2.  ) given to the last four tiresome grand duchesses of the Emperor Nicholas II's immediate family.  
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« on: July 25, 2009, 10:55:05 AM »
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Hello, Douglas!  Thank you for your introspective question to my Post! It is always nice to hear from you!  (This is undoubtedly "off-topic," but it is in relation to your question posted here.)  First let me preface my opinion/s, by saying that I hold no particular interest in the last Romanov family. They are to me, "floatsam and jetsam" in the stream of history........  a most unfortunate family. The word "tiresome" that I use in reference to the four daughters, is to reference the seemingly constant adulation, amounting to "worship" given to them at various sites, when it is obvious they are basicly remembered by virtue of birth (sheer chance) and by their death (intentional), as others in previous similiar families have experienced.  It is further obvious that, had things proceeded "normally," they would have been destined for relative obscurity as appendages of the Emperor's family, married and disappeared into the "mists of history."  I can identify with them as fellow human beings and the subsequent vicissitudes of their short lives, but as for the continuous mourning and yearning by some people for them, I find them tiresome as subject material.  As  you have so correctly said in your post, " I accept them as they WERE (emphasis added) not as I might wish them to be." Right on!  Thank God, with the final identification of the bodies, this interest in them is abating nicely.  With the best of regards (and appreciation for the Shakespearean reference!), AP
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« on: July 28, 2009, 04:40:41 PM »
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Kaiserin Alzbeta Sissi ,

Why did you call Empress Maria Fedorovna "Minnie" as if she was your personal friend or a relative? It's disrespectful to a person whom you never knew. The other topics on her in this Forum contain "Maria Fedorovna" naming, here's a serious discussion not a chatting-room.

Well, someone called her in this way before, but if I'm offending you, excuse me :-(
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« on: August 10, 2009, 06:11:50 AM »
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Was this her necklace?


Can you post photos of her jewels?

This particular piece was NOT her necklace....like I suspected, it's a replica and can be found here...

http://www.royalexhibitions.co.uk/Queens-Jewels/queens-necklaces.html

and you can find another replica of it here:
http://www.naergilien.info/research/Exhibits/Crownjewels/index.htm
http://www.naergilien.info/research/Exhibits/Crownjewels/P8060476.JPG

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« on: August 12, 2009, 09:21:56 AM »
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Thank you for the link, I haven't seen the other necklace before. :-)
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« on: August 18, 2009, 05:15:40 PM »
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I've finally tracked down a picture of Empress Marie's real chocker for comparison to the reproductions:

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« on: August 20, 2009, 10:08:48 AM »
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Who is the lady wearing the necklace? What happened with the real necklace?
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