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Offline Nadya_Arapov

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #105 on: March 30, 2008, 01:35:05 AM »

Does anyone know who raised Alexander after his mother Theresa's death? Also, was he (initially at least) on good terms with his step-mother Stana?


I did not know that Stana of Serbia was Leuchtenberg's seond wife.  Does anyone know why Stana & Leuchtenberg divorced?

Details please!

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Becouse Stana wanted to marry GD Nikolay )). Also in fact Duke Georgiy was a famous playboy who lead a fast life in Paris. The marital life with him was not a picnic definitely.

They led separate lives for quite some time, as Sveta wrote. He lived most of the year in France, at Paris and the Riviera, with his longtime mistress. I believe her marriage to the Duke George was tempestuous from the start and had been arranged by her father, the King of Montenegro. She and George were separated for several years before the divorce was finally obtained in 1906.

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #106 on: June 15, 2008, 09:01:37 PM »
In looking for information on the descendants of Olga and Xenia Contantinovna von Leuchtenberg (daughters of Constantin Georgevich von Leuchtenberg and Darya Alexievna Obolensky). Most genealogies mention their marriages, but fail to indicate any children/grandchildren.
Thank you.

A quick Internet search yielded the following information:

Duke Constantine von Leuchtenberg (1905-1983) m.1929 Princess Daria Obolensky (1903-1982)

Duchess Xenia von Leuchtenberg (*1930) m.1950 Count Dimitri Grabbe (*1927)

Count Michael Grabbe (*1951)
Countess Nina Grabbe (*1952), m.1st 1975 (div. 1981) John Eldredge (*1949); m.2nd 1984 Dimitry Vladimirovich Shishkoff (3 children)
Count Paul Grabbe (*1956)
Count Alexis Grabbe (*1960)
Countess Xenia Grabbe (*1963), m.1989 Alexander Levitsky (2 children)
Countess Olga Grabbe (*1965), m.1990 Dana S. Dewey (3 children)
Countess Maria Grabbe (*1965) m.1994 Richard Melody

Duchess Olga von Leuchtenberg (*1932), m.1952 Oleg Gaydeburov (*1922)

George Gaydeburov (1953-1975)
Nina Gaydeburov (*1956)

*indicates living person
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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2008, 02:46:17 AM »
Where I search portraits Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna and her husband, Maximilian, Duke of Leuchtenberg&

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #108 on: July 28, 2008, 05:07:53 AM »
In Behind the Veil at the Russian Court it states her marriage to Max was made "from sheer disappointment at having missed a brilliant alliance which her coquetry had caused to be abandoned."

Does anyone know more about this failed "brilliant alliance"?

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #109 on: July 28, 2008, 02:00:20 PM »
In Behind the Veil at the Russian Court it states her marriage to Max was made "from sheer disappointment at having missed a brilliant alliance which her coquetry had caused to be abandoned."

Does anyone know more about this failed "brilliant alliance"?

Her mother introduced a Holland Prince to Maria, a son of Grand Duchess Anna Pavlovna and King Willem II but Maria called young man "ill-bred gawk". Probably this was one of the failed "brilliant alliances". Actually there were few "brilliant" suitors for Grand Duchesses those times as the rank of the girls was very high.

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« Reply #110 on: July 29, 2008, 04:58:22 PM »
Thank you, Svetabel!  Where do you find all these tiny details?  :)

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #111 on: July 30, 2008, 12:39:57 AM »
Thank you, Svetabel!  Where do you find all these tiny details?  :)

Books, books, books. Various books on the Romanovs and their relatives. Internet is not a great and reliable source of info, so the books rule.

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #112 on: September 11, 2008, 03:04:46 PM »
Daria seems to me a rather tragic figure.

The information on her (online and in book) is rather scarce and inaccurate. I have seen her death (always by execution) listed as having taken place on "after 1930", "November 5th 1938", "November 4th 1937" and "1937". Her husband's death is also rather inaccurate.

I wonder why on earth would she still be living in the USSR, when half of her family had been exiled and/or murdered. I don't think she could have led a confortable life in the Soviet Union.

I've read online that she actually married four times, one of them to a Spaniard, can anyone comment on that? Did she have any children by any marriage (I've seen she had at least a son by Prince Kotchoubey)? What became of her family? Did she actually have any counter-Soviet contacts?

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« Reply #113 on: September 11, 2008, 05:12:21 PM »

Daria seems to me a rather tragic figure.

i agree.


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I've read online that she actually married four times, one of them to a Spaniard, can anyone comment on that? Did she have any children by any marriage (I've seen she had at least a son by Prince Kotchoubey)? What became of her family?

i don't think she had any children other than the 2 she had by pr Kotchubey...   (i could be mistaken about that, however.)

Evgen & Natalia (?) Kotchubey      unfortunately, i'm blanking on their patronymic @ the moment..

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« Reply #114 on: September 11, 2008, 05:59:32 PM »



i found my post w/ the info:


the children of prince Lev Mikhailovich Kochubey
& his 1st wife (div. 1911), countess Daria Evgenievna de Beauharnais

prince Evgenii Lvovich Kochubey de Beauharnais (1894-1951)
princess Natalya Lvovna Kochubey de Beauharnais (1899-1979)

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**Note: the name "Kochubey de Beauharnais" is the surname listed on the website
http://www.angelfire.com/in/heinbruins/Bavaria.html 

entries:
  2.7.5.1.1. (Evgenii)
&
  2.7.5.1.2. (Natalya) )


***Note:  there was another woman with the name Natalya Kochubey de Beauharnais, this one born in 1923 (entry: 2.7.5.1.1.2.), and was the daughter of Evgenii and therefore, was the niece of the Natalya in the foto above.

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"when i die, i hope i go like my grandfather --
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« Reply #115 on: September 11, 2008, 11:17:13 PM »

from:
http://www.geocities.com/henrivanoene/genleuchtenberg.html


Daria Countess de Beauharnais
* St. Petersburg, March 19th n.s., 1870
† (executed) Leningrad (today: St. Petersburg), November 5th, 1938

Married 1:
Baden-Baden, September 7th, 1893:   
Lev Mikhailovitch Prince Kotchoubey
* June 23rd n.s., 1862
† Paris, May 9th, 1927
(Divorced: 1911)

Married 2:
St. Petersburg, February 22nd, 1911:
Woldemar Alexander Eduard Freiherr von Grävenitz
* Wierny, November 12th n.s., 1872
† Helsinki, May 24th, 1916

Married 3:
Victor Aleksandrovitch Markezetti
* ...
† (executed) Leningrad (today: St. Petersburg), January 15th, 1938

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and according to:
http://gsteinbe.intrasun.tcnj.edu/royalty/tables/NikolaiI.html

Daria's daughter Natalya, had no offspring and eventually took the veil as Sister Sophia O.S.B.

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like the passengers in his car."

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #116 on: November 20, 2008, 07:17:11 PM »
I see constant photo's of ladies of the Leuchtenberg line, with the title Her Imperial Highness..but were they "Imperial"?

The Leuchtenbergs better known in Imperial times as the Princes Romanovsky were only permitted to pass on the style of Imperial Highness and  membership in the Imperial House (and the pension that went with it) if they contracted equal marriages like all of the other members of the Imperial Family. Children of unequal marriages lost their postions within the Imperial House, the Russian Princely title of Romanovsky, the style of HIH or HH but were permitted to retain their there naturalised foreign title of Dukes and Duchesses of Leuchtenberg and style of Serene.

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« Reply #117 on: January 18, 2009, 04:01:01 PM »


Were the Leuchtenberg-Romanowsky family descendents of Eugène-Rose de Beauharnais, the stepson of Napoleon I Bonaparte, who married a Baverian princes?Beauharnais was made Duke of Leuchtenberg by his father in law king Maximilian I Joseph of Baviera.

In munich there is a palais Leuchtenberg in Ludwigstraße. A beautiful, big palace which today houses the ministry of finance.

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« Reply #118 on: January 19, 2009, 01:07:42 AM »


Were the Leuchtenberg-Romanowsky family descendents of Eugène-Rose de Beauharnais, the stepson of Napoleon I Bonaparte, who married a Baverian princes?Beauharnais was made Duke of Leuchtenberg by his father in law king Maximilian I Joseph of Baviera.


Yes, the Leuchtenbergs were descendants of Eugene de Beauharnais and Augusta of Bavaria.

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« Reply #119 on: January 19, 2009, 12:04:56 PM »
After the revolution the head of the Leutchenberg family returned to his ancestral family estate in Bavaria.