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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #135 on: November 11, 2009, 03:58:52 PM »
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Leuchtenberg/hpqscan0004.jpg
Prince Eugene (photo is really dark, sorry I wasn't able to make it lighter)

 



I tried to make it lighter. not so good tho

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« Reply #136 on: November 12, 2009, 07:28:14 PM »
I wish Ferrand has printed a better quality photo of Eugene .

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #137 on: November 12, 2009, 09:46:35 PM »
ashanti01, your the queen of photos *bows down*

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« Reply #138 on: November 12, 2009, 09:51:41 PM »
lol

not really...just someone with a Romanov and Youssoupoff obsession.

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #139 on: November 12, 2009, 09:53:06 PM »
Thats still good. thanks for sharing your wonderful photos. :)

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #140 on: November 27, 2009, 11:54:53 PM »
So fascinating with semi-imperial hang-arounds like the Leuchtenberg!

Long-time lurker here with some questions for the Leuchtenberg experts out there:

-  I presume the title of Nicholas Leuchtenberg and Nadezhda Annenkova's children, whose offspring all were Dukes and Duchesses of Leuchtenberg, was Russian, as the original Bavarian title was inherited by primogeniture? Was then this title, герцог Лейхтенбергский, perhaps the only Russian ducal title?

- The comital family of Grabbe which some Leuchtenbergs married into, and which I take hailed from Kexholm in Finland and appearantly had been governors of Vyborg centuries earlier under the Swedes, were they related the famous Danish noble family Krabbe?

- Does anybody know what the third quarter in the original Leuchtenberg arms, a sword on a green field with golden stars, represents? Must be some honour or title of Eugène Beauharnais. (The other quarters are Leuchtenberg, Eichstätt and Beauharnais, with, I suppose, the vice-regal crown if Italy or some other arch-office or notion of royal dignity overall.)

- In Russian Leuchtenberg is written Лейхтенберг and Beauharnais Богарне. Are they just spelled that way or do people actually pronounce them /leixtenberg/ and /bogarne/? What about Imperial times? Since they spoke a lot of French, did they say /lœʃtenberg/? Just for the record, the German pronunciation is ['lɔɪ̯çtənbɛrk].

On a related note: Is Гогенцоллерн actually pronounced /gogentsolern/ if the transcription with h→г is used instead of the more accurate Хоэнцоллерн? Same with the ubiquitous Гессен, of course. Do Russians speak of /aleksandra fyodorovna gessenskaja/?

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #141 on: November 28, 2009, 03:38:40 AM »
So fascinating with semi-imperial hang-arounds like the Leuchtenberg!

Long-time lurker here with some questions for the Leuchtenberg experts out there:

-  I presume the title of Nicholas Leuchtenberg and Nadezhda Annenkova's children, whose offspring all were Dukes and Duchesses of Leuchtenberg, was Russian, as the original Bavarian title was inherited by primogeniture? Was then this title, герцог Лейхтенбергский, perhaps the only Russian ducal title?

- The comital family of Grabbe which some Leuchtenbergs married into, and which I take hailed from Kexholm in Finland and appearantly had been governors of Vyborg centuries earlier under the Swedes, were they related the famous Danish noble family Krabbe?

- Does anybody know what the third quarter in the original Leuchtenberg arms, a sword on a green field with golden stars, represents? Must be some honour or title of Eugène Beauharnais. (The other quarters are Leuchtenberg, Eichstätt and Beauharnais, with, I suppose, the vice-regal crown if Italy or some other arch-office or notion of royal dignity overall.)

- In Russian Leuchtenberg is written Лейхтенберг and Beauharnais Богарне. Are they just spelled that way or do people actually pronounce them /leixtenberg/ and /bogarne/? What about Imperial times? Since they spoke a lot of French, did they say /lœʃtenberg/? Just for the record, the German pronunciation is ['lɔɪ̯çtənbɛrk].

On a related note: Is Гогенцоллерн actually pronounced /gogentsolern/ if the transcription with h→г is used instead of the more accurate Хоэнцоллерн? Same with the ubiquitous Гессен, of course. Do Russians speak of /aleksandra fyodorovna gessenskaja/?

The Leuchtenberg is not the only one Russian Ducal title. In the 1840s Emperor Nicholas I granted the Ducal title to Prince Petr of Oldenburg, his nephew.

Grabbe and Krabbe are different family names.

In Russian Leuchtenberg is written Лейхтенберг and Beauharnais Богарне, and they sounded the same - /leixtenberg/ and /bogarne/ - as you wrote. In the XIX century contemporaries pronounced the same way though I'v seen another transcription and pronouncing - such as Lichtenberg.

In Russian Hohenzollern and Hessen sound with G - Гогенцоллерн и Гессен.

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #142 on: January 10, 2010, 12:31:07 AM »
In the grand duchess Alexandra Nikoleyena there was a question if there were paintings of this lady...there are indeed. I have to say I don't know much about these sisters, but it's obvious they liked the artist Christina Robertson for their portraits.

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1857 - painted by Winterhalter




Does anyone know a good book on these sisters lives?



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« Reply #143 on: January 10, 2010, 04:43:45 PM »
It does look like her paintings doesn't it?  If it is her then it's a nice early photo dating from the 1840s.

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #146 on: January 10, 2010, 06:40:55 PM »
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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #147 on: January 11, 2010, 09:38:08 PM »


I think this is Maria...

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #148 on: January 12, 2010, 10:01:42 AM »
Found in other forum as MAria Nikolaevna



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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna, and her descendants
« Reply #149 on: January 15, 2010, 07:26:45 AM »
A Leuchtenberg question:

- Does anybody know what the third quarter in the original Leuchtenberg arms, a sword on a green field with golden stars, represents? Must be some honour or title of Eugène Beauharnais. (The other quarters are Leuchtenberg, Eichstätt and Beauharnais, with, I suppose, the vice-regal crown if Italy or some other arch-office or notion of royal dignity overall.)