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Re: Anne Boleyn
« Reply #240 on: March 21, 2009, 02:17:13 AM »
By all accounts she had a miniature of Anne in either a ring or broach that she always wore. Also during Elizabeth's lifetime fervent Protestants idolized Anne Boleyn as a great heroine of the English Reformation (at the same time Catholic writers held her up as a whore and worse). There were depictions of Anne during Elizabeth's coronation procession aswell. She didnt ignore her mothers memory but naturally she preferred to make more of her father whose memory was highly regarded by his subjects .

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Re: Anne Boleyn
« Reply #241 on: March 23, 2009, 05:17:52 PM »
her father whose memory was highly regarded by his subjects .

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« Reply #242 on: March 24, 2009, 03:52:19 PM »
I have one question...Never understood what happened with Anne Boleyn's mother...i know only for her father...
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« Reply #243 on: March 24, 2009, 04:03:32 PM »
I wonder in fact too,

and my view on Anne, she might perhaps have been selfish but not heartless or such. She was too much 'her own woman' for Henry to keep his love for her, since he liked to controle it all. and the fact she could not give him a son, or did not gave one....

Perhaps she was like portrayed in 'Anne of the Thousand Days' - That is how I like to see her in fact, a woman caught up in history and the feeling to get higher in life.
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« Reply #244 on: March 24, 2009, 04:20:38 PM »
Elizabeth Boleyn died in 1538. She retired from court after Anne's death.
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« Reply #245 on: March 24, 2009, 05:19:34 PM »
It's interesting how i haven't seen her in any of the movies about The Tudors. except "The Other Boleyn Girl" but very little....Nothing was speaking about her......She was my namesake :)
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« Reply #246 on: March 25, 2009, 06:41:42 AM »
I wonder how she reacted on Anne's death, and George's. Also not much is known about Mary Boleyn, The Other Boleyn Girl - movie(tv or theatrical), or book - tries to tell a story, though much is fiction - for as far as we know -, and it makes one wonder how the relationship was between the two of them, especially after Henry moved on from Mary to Anne.

Anyway, we know that after Jane Grey had been executed, like her father and husband, her mother remarried and remained at court. This is one way to handle such a situation, but how would Elizabeth deal with hers...
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« Reply #247 on: March 25, 2009, 11:58:16 AM »
Actually Mary is much more mentioned in the series "The Tudors" then their mother Elizabeth...Actually in "The Tudors" Only their father and brother were mentioned :)
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« Reply #248 on: March 25, 2009, 12:23:21 PM »
Actually Mary is much more mentioned in the series "The Tudors" then their mother Elizabeth...Actually in "The Tudors" Only their father and brother were mentioned :)

I love the Tudors(though I prefer historical more correct depictions, as in 'The Six Wives of Henry VIII), DVD-box is on my wish-list and I can't wait for season 2 to air here(I only saw Anne's execution, sad to look at, it got me teared up a bit).
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« Reply #249 on: March 25, 2009, 05:20:20 PM »
Indeed true...My favourite show is "The Tudors"...You should see Season 2 you would love it.....I'm waiting for Season 3 on 4th April....
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Re: Anne Boleyn
« Reply #250 on: March 26, 2009, 02:52:40 AM »
This may answer some of the questions about Mary Boleyn and Anne:

Mary Boleyn Timeline and Biography
   1503   Mary Boleyn was born at Blickling Hall, Norfolk, England. Mary was the youngest daughter of Sir Thomas Boleyn and Lady Elizabeth Howard and the maternal niece of the Duke of Norfolk, head of the great and noble Howard family

The siblings of Mary Boleyn were Anne Boleyn (1502 - 1536) and George Boleyn (1500 - 1536)
 
   1505   The Boleyn family moved to Hever Castle in Kent

Whilst young girls Mary Boleyn and Anne Boleyn were appointed as lady-in-waiting to Queen Claude of France, who was married to King Louis XII of France
 
   1500   1519: Mary Boleyn returned to England in some disgrace. Her morals were in question and there were strong rumours that she had had affairs with members of the French court including the French King Francis I
 
   1520   4 February 1520: Mary Boleyn married Sir William Carey a favourite courtier in the royal court of King Henry VIII. The wedding party included Henry VIII
 
   1525   Mary Boleyn Carey became the mistress of King Henry VIII. The Boleyn family prospered because of Mary's affair and her father, Thomas Boleyn, was made a Viscount
 
   1526   4 March 1526: Mary Boleyn Carey gave birth to a son, called Henry - he was widely assumed to be the son of King Henry VIII although was not acknowledged as such
 
   1528   Mary became pregnant again in 1528 presumably by her husband Sir William Carey
 
   1528   The marriage of Mary Boleyn Carey ended when William Carey died on 23 June 1528 of the 'sweats'
 
   1529   Mary's second child was born in 1529 and named Catherine. Both of the children of Mary Boleyn bore the surname of Carey. King Henry VIII granted Anne Boleyn the wardship of her nephew Henry Carey (and possibly his son)
 
   1532   Mary Boleyn was one of thirty ladies who accompanied King Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn on a visit to Calais in France known as 'The Field of the Cloth of Gold'
 
   1533
    25 January 1533: King Henry VIII married Anne Boleyn and Mary Boleyn became sister to the Queen of England. Mary became a lady-in-waiting to her sister
 
   1534   Mary Boleyn secretly married a soldier and commoner called William Stafford, who she had met in Calais at the 'The Field of the Cloth of Gold'. Queen Anne Boleyn was absolutely furious as Mary had married without permission and below her station.

Mary Boleyn was banished from the court. She loved her new husband, William Stafford, but they had little money and Queen Anne was reluctant to provide any financial assistance

Mary and Anne were partly reconciled when Anne sent Mary a gold cup - but the sisters were never to met again...
 
   1536   15 May 1536: Queen Anne Boleyn tried for treason, adultery and incest in the Great Hall of the Tower of London

1536   17 May 1536: George Boleyn was executed on the charge of treason and incest
 
   1536   19 May 19 1536: Queen Anne was executed on Tower Hill
 
   1543   Mary died on July 19, 1543: Mary had lived her life with William Stafford away from the dangers of the court. She had another son and daughter by William Stafford

Mary was really in love with William Stafford: "She wrote Cromwell a letter explaining that the world set little store by her, but that her beloved William Stafford cared for her a great deal. She desired only to live a simple honest life with the man she loved, she wrote, although, "...well might I have had a greater man of birth and a higher, but I ensure you I could never a had one that should a loved me so well, nor a more honest man. I had rather beg my bread with him than be the greatest Queen christened ... and I believe verily he would not forsake me to be a king."

This is really interesting: http://www.palmspringsbum.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I7427&tree=Legends
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Re: Anne Boleyn
« Reply #251 on: March 26, 2009, 06:28:58 AM »
That was great to put all dates and everything....Thanks...
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« Reply #252 on: March 26, 2009, 11:48:14 AM »
One point of clarification on the wonderful timeline provided.  There is ongoing dispute as to the birth order of the three Boleyn children.  Indeed, many think Mary was the older sister, as she was more, ahem, "advanced" than Anne, both at the French court and at Henry's, perhaps due to her being older.

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« Reply #253 on: March 26, 2009, 12:05:08 PM »
 The timeline does help much, though it is not known for sure when the Boleyn-siblings were born. But it is nice to know :)
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Re: Anne Boleyn
« Reply #254 on: March 26, 2009, 01:27:56 PM »
Hi,

One slight correction:-
Queen Claude of France was the wife of Francis I of France and the daughter of Louis XII of France...
She was known for her piety and so that may explain Mary's removal from her Court, if indeed Mary was a naughty girl!

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