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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2005, 12:22:30 PM »
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Why didn't you like it?

It seemed rushed - and Anne seemed too... ummmmmm modern for my tastes, not clever -just well almost priggish ... hard to explain the exact problem
I thought  Henry was completely misread - he was a very proud and composed figure with an unusually high voice not an East End bruiser! The real Henry knew that he didn't need to be rough to get want he wanted...this actor seemed to imply that Henry was a mafia hit man...
I may be off base on this as I am no actor!

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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2005, 12:55:55 PM »
East end Bruiser.....love it Rskkiya. Prince Lieven, i didnt see the Charles II drama but I did see Gunpowder,Treason and Plot,with Robert Carlyle. I have to wait for my husband to nod off and then i quickly change channels to watch these dramas, Himself absolutely hates history!!! ;)
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2005, 01:17:45 PM »
Yeah, I saw Gunpowder, Treason and Plot too. The first episode, about Mary, was OK, but I didn't like the one with James. Why was he so . . . weird. They got some things right, like having Mary speak with a French accent, but why was she a blond?

P.S: You should try to find Charles II on DVD. It was fab.
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2005, 01:19:15 PM »
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It seemed rushed - and Anne seemed too... ummmmmm modern for my tastes, not clever -just well almost priggish ... hard to explain the exact problem
I thought  Henry was completely misread - he was a very proud and composed figure with an unusually high voice not an East End bruiser! The real Henry knew that he didn't need to be rough to get want he wanted...this actor seemed to imply that Henry was a mafia hit man...
I may be off base on this as I am no actor!



By the way, I too live in a house of people who aren't nig on history. In fairness, they tend to defer to my wishes when there's a good drama on.
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2005, 01:33:10 PM »
CharlesII on DVD, right then,I will buy it for Himself for an early christmas prezzie ;D ;D :o ::)
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2005, 05:23:12 PM »
If I knew what he looked like, I'm sure I could picture the diappointed look on his face! In fact, I'll make sure to check Amazon.co.uk after Christmas and see if there's a second hand edition of Charles II for sale - 'unwanted gift, never opened!' : - )
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2005, 06:47:12 PM »
I got turned on to the Plantagenets by reading "Katherine", by Anya Seton.  I then purchased Thomas Costain's four or five book series on the Plantagenets, and the rest is history.   (I often start with fiction and then read the non-fiction....)

Anne of Bohemeia is depicted in Margaret Campbell Barnes' "Within the Hollow Crown", if anyone wants a good fictional read about her.

I think Margaret Campbell Barnes also wrote a novel about Anne of Cleves entitled "My Lady of Cleves", and it was wonderful.

I've read several fiction books about Anne Boleyn, all of which were interesting but there are some good bios of her out.


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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2005, 07:37:45 PM »
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I got turned on to the Plantagenets by reading "Katherine", by Anya Seton.  I then purchased Thomas Costain's four or five book series on the Plantagenets, and the rest is history.   (I often start with fiction and then read the non-fiction....)

Anne of Bohemeia is depicted in Margaret Campbell Barnes' "Within the Hollow Crown", if anyone wants a good fictional read about her.

I think Margaret Campbell Barnes also wrote a novel about Anne of Cleves entitled "My Lady of Cleves", and it was wonderful.

I've read several fiction books about Anne Boleyn, all of which were interesting but there are some good bios of her out.



My favourites are still 'The Sunne In Splendour' and the Wales trilogy ('Here Be Dragons', 'Falls The Shadow', and 'The Reckoning') by Sharon Kay Penman, but Margaret Campbell Barnes also wrote one about Elizabeth of York, which title I can't remember. I read Barnes' books on Anne of Bohemia and Anne Boleyn, and they were both excellent. I've been trying to track down 'Katherine' for months at local libraries, and I've basically come to terms with the fact that I'll have to buy it. *sigh* More money on books...just what I'm SURE my husband needs...;)

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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2005, 10:11:57 PM »
You can buy "Katherine" used, on Amazon.com, for cheap!

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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2005, 02:32:37 AM »
Anya Seton's Katherine, Ihave had about 3 copies that have ended up in the bath - try as i might, icannot get out of the habit of reading in the bath ;)I just go to my local Ottakars and buy another copy straight off the shelf, it doesn't seem to go out of print. All you book lovers out there, have you ever been to Hay on Wye, on the Wales/ England border. Its a small town crammed with bookshops and it even has its own "king" Every time we go I feel as if i have died and gone to heaven.
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2005, 06:02:06 AM »
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I heard rumours a while ago that they're planning a film about Henry and Anne with Russell Crowe and Kate Winslet. A mate of mine even said that Kate had mentioned it in an interview, but I've found NOTHING about it for quite some time. I've always thought that Russell Crowe would make a REALLY terrific Henry...

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Russell Crow and Kate Winslet? Hmmm...  I just don't see it somehow. For some reason I can only see ole' Russ as a gladiator, or else a schitzophrenic mathematician. Talk about typecasting!  ;) And Kate just doesn't strike me as Anne at all... (Just like Helena Bonham Carter, to me, didn't really work as Anne Boleyn in the latest version). But that's probably just me.

IMO, it's always better that unknowns play these types of roles because with "stars" it's often really hard to get over their other roles... But maybe they can pull it off... I hope this rumor is true though and they are really planning a movie...

My favorite still remains the ancient  BBC mini-series 'Six Wives of Henry VIII", which I mentioned somewhere else, I think. Keith Mitchell is Henry VIII, and since I never saw him in any other role, in fact didn't even know who he was before I saw this, it worked really well. So did the wives, except for Katherine Parr who didn't look anything like her portraits :-/. The film with Keith Mitchell, that someone else mentioned before, I liked very much too...

On the subject of books, has anyone read a fiction called 'Threads'? Can't think of the author right now, but I do have this book somewhere... It is a Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn novel, but at the same time it's not. Don't want to give too much of the plot away but I will say that it has something to do with reincarnation  ;). Sounds a bit hokey, but it's pretty good - seems well researched and well written.

P.S. I didn't really like the Ray Winstone flick either - he just can't measure up to Keith Mitchell, IMO...


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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2005, 10:16:10 AM »
How about The Private Life Of Henry VIII with Charles Laughton.Its even older than me ;D and pretty bad BUT Merle Oberon played Anne Boleyn and she looked incredibly like her. ( I should imagine, I am not THAT old)
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2005, 11:14:01 AM »
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Arrrg! I thought it dreadful but its a matter of opinion.


So did I! Except for Helena Bonham Carter's performance, which I rather liked. But the script was dreadful. Just a mixture of sex and crime (Henry VIII was however more than this). Besides, the sets were completely unhistorical.
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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2005, 11:21:51 AM »
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[ The real Henry knew that he didn't need to be rough to get want he wanted...this actor seemed to imply that Henry was a mafia hit man...


This sums it up very well  :P ;D.

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Re: Books/Movies on the Tudors and Plantagenets
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2005, 02:44:48 PM »
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How about The Private Life Of Henry VIII with Charles Laughton.


Laughton really chews the scenery in that one, but it's still one of the great portrayals of Henry.  To me, the wedding night scene between Henry and Anne of Cleves (played by the incomparable Elsa Lanchester) was easily the best part of the entire film.  

I tried, I really did, with the recent miniseries, but I can never get past Ray Winstone's accent.  And I adore Helena Bonham Carter (well, except for her dress sense), so I had high hopes for it.  Gorgeous costumes, though.