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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« on: July 18, 2005, 04:43:36 AM »
Jane Grey was a young intellectual who found it difficult to believe that she was ever wrong or that her opinions were not shared by others. Her intense Protestantism ruled her life but she was a victim of Northumberlands plot to maintain the Reformation n England.IMHO i think she entirely believed God meant her to be Queen so she was quite the willing participant in Northumberlands scheming. I think she would have ended up burning as many religious opponants as Mary did given half the chance.
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2005, 04:59:00 AM »
Kimberley - She was seventeen... a child and a pawn.

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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2005, 06:46:35 AM »
This is what is left of Bradgate House in Bradgate Park, Leicestershire - the former home of poor Lady Jane Grey. She is very fondly remembered in the villages around the park.

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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2005, 07:29:59 AM »
I know she was 17 but she had a very intellectual head on her shoulders. I am not deriding the girl,i said she also was a victim. Besides which,we were all 17 once and I know that i went through a stage of thinking i knew it all. We have all been ther surely ;)
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2005, 09:05:53 AM »
no-one will ever know, really... she doesn't strike me as fanatic as mary, though.... although admitedly i don't know as much about jane as i know about mary...

anyone know anything about her husband?
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2005, 09:14:31 AM »
I am unaware of any evidence which suggests Lady Jane Grey had aspirations to accede the throne.  

Quite the contrary.   I understood when confronted with the possibility of ruling, she greeted the prospect with despair.

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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2005, 09:17:56 AM »
Guilford Dudley, son of John Duke of Northumberland. Born in 1536, he was the brother of Robert Dudley-Elizabeth's "sweet Robin".He was executed on Tower Hill on 12th February 1554 and buried in the chapel of St. Peter ad Vincula within the Tower of London. ;)
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2005, 09:31:37 AM »
how old was he when he died? was he younger or older than robert?
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2005, 09:43:19 AM »
He was about 18 when he died.I think Robert was older being born in 1532
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2005, 09:57:39 AM »
silly me you had already mentioned the year of birth ;D...

i wonder how he felt about his father's plans...  :-/
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2005, 10:17:07 AM »
Tsaria is quite right.  Jane Grey and her husband Guilford Dudley were entirely the pawns of their respective parents; in his case, his father, the Duke of Northumberland and in hers, that of her mother Frances Duchess of Suffolk, granddaughter of Henry VII.

It is believed that Jane's adherence to the Protestant religion was sincere and that she did subscribe to the idea that her claim was legitimate in view of Mary's Catholicism.

Mary's decision to impose the ultimate penalty upon Jane was not, I am sure,  made lightly.  If anyone should have been punished severely, it should have been the Duchess, as her dynastic aspirations and hunger for power were just as voracious and disastrous as those of Northumberland.

Interestingly, the Dudleys were to have more success in the later reign of Elizabeth, as Robert Dudley, who shared Mary's displeasure and disaffection became close to the young Princess Elizabeth during their respective sojourns in the Tower.  He was created Earl of Leicester by her and was the chief favourite at court until his death; it is rumoured by some that they were lovers and he had been widely tipped to become the Queen's husband, which would have satsified all his late father's dynastic hopes; only the scandal surrounding the death of his wife Amy Robsart putting paid to his royal matrimonial prospects.  What is certain is that he is the only man that she ever truly loved........
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2005, 10:42:24 AM »
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Tsaria is quite right.  Jane Grey and her husband Guilford Dudley were entirely the pawns of their respective parents; in his case, his father, the Duke of Northumberland and in hers, that of her mother Frances Duchess of Suffolk, granddaughter of Henry VII.

It is believed that Jane's adherence to the Protestant religion was sincere and that she did subscribe to the idea that her claim was legitimate in view of Mary's Catholicism.

Mary's decision to impose the ultimate penalty upon Jane was not, I am sure,  made lightly.  If anyone should have been punished severely, it should have been the Duchess, as her dynastic aspirations and hunger for power were just as voracious and disastrous as those of Northumberland.

Interestingly, the Dudleys were to have more success in the later reign of Elizabeth, as Robert Dudley, who shared Mary's displeasure and disaffection became close to the young Princess Elizabeth during their respective sojourns in the Tower.  He was created Earl of Leicester by her and was the chief favourite at court until his death; it is rumoured by some that they were lovers and he had been widely tipped to become the Queen's husband, which would have satsified all his late father's dynastic hopes; only the scandal surrounding the death of his wife Amy Robsart putting paid to his royal matrimonial prospects.  What is certain is that he is the only man that she ever truly loved........


Interesting isn't that while Jane, Guilford, his father and her father all lost their lives, that Frances Duchess of Suffolk is the only one who was spared their life, and attended court afterwards.  

I wonder why she was not beheaded for her role in the usurping of the crown by Lady Jane Grey.

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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2005, 12:01:40 PM »
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I know she was 17 but she had a very intellectual head on her shoulders. I am not deriding the girl,i said she also was a victim. Besides which,we were all 17 once and I know that i went through a stage of thinking i knew it all. We have all been ther surely ;)



I'm going through that stage right now!! : - )

Anyway, I agree that Jane was a complete victim and I do pity her, but I dislike the way she derided Mary's religion when she saw one of Mary's ladies curtsying to the Host and said 'Is the Lady Mary in the chapel?' She comes across, I think, like Edward VI, as a bit of a stuck up, finishing-school prig. But I DO feel sorry for her.
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2005, 12:02:10 PM »
she was an old friend of queen mary's apparently... it was widely accepted that the whole thing was northumberland's idea so frances was considered innocent
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Re: Lady Jane Grey
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2005, 12:36:01 PM »
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she was an old friend of queen mary's apparently... it was widely accepted that the whole thing was northumberland's idea so frances was considered innocent



Is it true that Mary I was hesitant, and in fact openly did not want to execute her cousin Lady Jane Grey, or is this just historical revisionism?   What evidence would exist today to examine?   Did Mary ever make a statement.

Elizabeth I had a mistrust of the Grey's from Mary's encounter with them, and wanted little or nothing to do with them, as she felt with Lady Margaret Douglas, daughter of aunt, Margaret of Scotland.  I think Elizabeth was raised to keep her own counsel while Mary was probably raised around the Grey's as Frances's mother would often attend court with Henry VIII & Catherine of Aragon.  

Frances's mother of course being Mary, Duchess of Suffolk, the Dowager Queen of France, and sister of Henry VIII, and she stayed away from court when Henry threw Catherine over for Anne.   Mary was born in 1517, Frances in 1516.