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Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« on: January 09, 2005, 12:16:24 PM »
Does anyone have any pictures or information on Grand duchess Katarina Mikhailovna, b. 1827, d. 1894. she was the daughter of Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich, son of Pavl I, and Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna b. 1807, d. 1873.
I think she married a german prince, but lived in russia after the marriage.
It would also be great to see som pictures of G.D  Elena Pavlona..
i have tried everywhere, but there dosnt seem to be much information about them

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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2005, 03:01:33 PM »
She was one of the daughters of Grand Duke Michail Pavlovich.In 1850 she was engaged and in 1851 was married to Prince Georg August of Meclkenburg-Strelitz (1819-76).They settled in Russia and Prince served in Russian army. Georg and Ekaterina had 5 children (2 of them died in infancy): Nikolai (1854 -died the same year),Elena (1857-1936),Georg (1859-1909),Maria (1861- died the same year) and Karl Michail (1863-1934).

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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2005, 03:27:19 PM »
Ekaterina Michailovna had a strong and difficult nature,conservative views on life (just imagine! - her mother Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna had a reputation of a tolerant woman), was possessive and obstinate.When her son Georg was going to marry morganatically Ekaterina was opposite.
In addition Ekaterina Michailovna was a talented artist,she patronized many charitable foundations.
Her daughter Elena married Prince Albert of Saxe-Altenburg (he was married previously to Princess Maria of Holland,nee Princess of Prussia,dauhgter of famous Red Prince). Her eldest son Georg married Natalia Vanlyarskaya (their children were Counts Karlov).
The youngest son of EM was unmarried.

I am trying to find some good picture of EM.

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2005, 06:25:23 PM »
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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2005, 11:41:08 AM »
Wow, Thats Great! Thank you both very much!

Another question ( as always).
I have read that german princes who stayed in Russia after marrying a Grand Duchess, would become a member of the imperial family, aswell as their children....
But what does that mean? Did they become russian citizens and have russian titles; did they get money from the state, and where their children in line to the throne?
And what about their native countries?

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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2005, 12:05:45 AM »
Yekaterina Mikhailovna has a very interesting face.

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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2005, 06:35:56 AM »
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Yekaterina Mikhailovna has a very interesting face.


Olga do you remember the thread that asked the question 'Who is this Grand Duchess?', that went on for ages?  Eventually we identified her conclusively as Pcss Helene of Saxe-Altenburg, Ekaterina's daughter.  If we had seen this picture at that time it would have made it much easier to identify her, as the similarity in the face between mother and daughter is very strong....You're right too, her face has a lot of character.
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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2005, 04:51:46 AM »
Hello,does anyone have any colour painting or some glittering pictures of her?There are a lot of those pictures or paintings of other much more known Romanovs,but so little of those from colateral branches.

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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2005, 12:14:23 PM »
Yes it would be great to see.
I have tried to find some on the web, and in books, but have failed...
The same goes for her mother, Elena Pavlovna. She lived until 1873, so there must be some!

Altso i have just read that Czar Alexander II was murdered after visiting his cousin, Katarina Mikhailovna at her home, the Mikhailovski Palace...i always thougt he was visiting his brother, Grand Duke Mikhail..
So is that true? ???

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2005, 01:42:25 AM »
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Yes it would be great to see.
 I have tried to find some on the web, and in books, but have failed...
The same goes for her mother, Elena Pavlovna. She lived until 1873, so there must be some!

Altso i have just read that Czar Alexander II was murdered after visiting his cousin, Katarina Mikhailovna at her home, the Mikhailovski Palace...i always thougt he was visiting his brother, Grand Duke Mikhail..
So is that true? ???


Alexander II was visiting his cousin Ekaterina Michailovna in her Michailovsky Palace at that awful day.
Grand Duke Mikhail,his brother,owned The NOVOMICHAILOVSKY Palace,situiated on Dvortzovaya Enbankment.

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2005, 07:46:07 AM »
I have been in St.Peterburg last year and I saw one Michailowsky Palace,I think near some squair,but don't remember the name of the embarkment.Is Novomichailowsky palace the same sinse in the name I can see that it is stated that is some new palace.Or am I wrong?

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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2005, 08:31:23 AM »
You should go to the thread Palaces in Saint-Petersburg.There is a sub-thread "New Michael's palace". It's near to Marsovo Pole and the Marble palace.The Palace of G.D.Ekaterina is nearer to Nevsky prospekt - it's Russian Museum nowadays.
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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2005, 10:55:02 AM »
Is this it? It was listed as the Russian Museum/Michael's palace:

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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2005, 12:32:55 PM »
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I have tried to find some on the web, and in books, but have failed...
The same goes for her mother, Elena Pavlovna. She lived until 1873, so there must be some!


I've seen a portrait of her and her daughter Maria on the internet.  It is by Karl Brullov.  It is used to be on the Olga's gallery but the bigger version now is unavailable...

You can scroll down to see a small version of it for now:
http://www.abcgallery.com/B/briullov/briullov.html

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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovitch, his family and descendants
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2005, 01:17:14 PM »
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Is this it? It was listed as the Russian Museum/Michael's palace:



You are right,Ella.It's Russian Museum aka Mikhailovsky Palace.