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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2005, 04:20:35 AM »
Well, not that lovely... she was arrogant and when she was a middle aged woman she engaged in a series of uncertain and illegal affairs with her second husband that caused a small revolt and her escape to Paris, where she lived from then on.
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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2005, 05:17:24 AM »
Yes...you said it. She was young and lovely when she came from Naples, but later became much more aspecially she gets to hold power and had a new husband. Also her change was also a result of training from her more assertive sister, wife of Franceso de Paula.

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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2005, 06:45:17 PM »
What happened to Maria Francisca and Maria Teresa after they were exiled from Spain? I guess their lives were very unhappy from then on.
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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2005, 08:42:55 PM »
unhappily but busy plotting  :(

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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2006, 02:46:41 PM »
How was king Ferdinand VII's reaction to his daughter Isabel's birth? Did he want a son or did not care? Were there any quotes made at Isabel's birth?
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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2006, 04:32:42 AM »
Well, I am not a great expert in Spanish history but   I  read that Isabel's father was in desperate need of a male heir and of course was not much excited being a father of only 2 daughters.  :)

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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2006, 06:21:40 PM »
Well... I will try to give you an answer, QueenEna.

King Ferdinand VII was married four times. The first wife was his cousin Maria Antonia of the Two-Sicilies, and they had no children. The second wife was his niece Maria Isabel of Braganza (the father was Joao VI of Portugal and the mother Carlota Joaquina of Spain), and they had a daughter (the infanta Maria Luisa Isabel) who lived only four months. The third wife was Maria Josefa of Saxony, and no children were born from this marriage. When Maria Josefa was dead, the king Ferdinad was really desesperate to marry another princess as soon as posible because he needed to father an heir to his crown. So, he married his niece Maria Cristina of Two-Sicilies just seven months after the death of Maria Josefa.

The wedding of Ferdinand and Maria Cristina was celebrated on 11th December 1829. A month later, she became pregnant, and she gave birth to a daughter named Isabel the 10th October 1830. Of course, the royal couple wished a son, but they were glad with the daughter. When Maria Cristina had a second daughter, Luisa Fernanda, the queen persuaded the king to change the succesion laws to permit females to inherit the crown. In fact, Maria Cristina claimed that the old spanish law allowed the woman to inherit the crown, and just when the first king of de Bourbon dinasty (Felipe V) went to Spain it was reemplaced for a salic law. Ferdinand was under a strong influence of his young wife...and he worked very hard to set asside the law of sucession of his ancestry Felipe V. But the brother of Ferdinand, infante Carlos, until this moment heir presumptive of the king, considered the Pragmatic Sanction (the new decree allowing daughters to suceed as well as sons) illegal. Ferdinand knew that his brother had the support of Roman Catholic Church and the more conservative people, so he tried to banish his brother and sister-in-law, princess of Beira: the two were "authorised" by the king to go to Portugal for a time. But it was not a good idea.

Ferdinand was died the 29th September 1833. His widow, Maria Cristina, proclaimed herself regent for Isabel, just three years old, in Madrid, but the first day of October, infante Carlos issued a manifiesto declaring himself the king Carlos V of Spain. It was the beginning of the Carlist Wars.

I don´t believe that Isabel had a happy childhood. The mother and regent Maria Cristina remained as a widow only for... ¡¡three months!!. The 28th December 1833, Maria Cristina married in secret Fernando Muñoz Sánchez, an ex-sargeant from the Royal Guard. For SEVEN years, the couple tried to keep the marriage secret, a very difficult thing, due the fact they had a lot of children: from 1834 until 1840, the year the marriage was announced, the queen regent gave birth to three daughters and two sons, half-sisters and half-brothers of the little queen Isabel. The gossip, first, and the news, later, about the morganatic marriage of the queen to a low-ranking soldier made Maria Cristina really unpopular. This was one of the reasons because the general Espartero replaced her as regent. Maria Cristina and the husband were exiled in France.

Remember that Isabel had nine years when the mother was banished from court and sent to another country with the new family. The new regent and his ministers thought that the little queen was not receiving a good education, so they determined that Isabel and Luisa Fernanda needed a new tutor, Agustín Argüelles (a lawyer), a new teacher (Quintana, a poet) and a new nurse (the countess of Espoz y Mina). The struggles between liberals and conservatives made Espartero forced to exile in England two years later. A military pronunciamiento led by O´Donnell gave a new governement to Narvaez. So, when Isabel was just thirteen years old , she was proclaimed queen by the new cabinet, and when she was just sixteen years old, the same cabinet forced her to marry her cousin, the homosexual Francisco of Asis.
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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2008, 12:46:15 PM »
I read that King Ferdinand VII of Spain was very pleased with Maria Josepha of Saxony's looks and used to write very sweet love letters to her.
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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 03:51:07 PM »
I read somewhere that she was suspected to have been poisoned because she was barren ?

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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2008, 02:18:42 PM »
I read somewhere that she was suspected to have been poisoned because she was barren ?

Yes, but it was just a rumour. It has never been proven.
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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2008, 02:24:38 PM »
I read that she turned lead black soon after death, a sign of poisoning. Also there seem to be enough people wanted to see the barren queen goes, as she spent more time with her rosary than in the marriage bed. Maria Cristina (who ultimately became the next queen)'s sister was thought to be a suspect...

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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2008, 10:09:42 AM »
I read that she turned lead black soon after death, a sign of poisoning. Also there seem to be enough people wanted to see the barren queen goes, as she spent more time with her rosary than in the marriage bed. Maria Cristina (who ultimately became the next queen)'s sister was thought to be a suspect...

Well, Queen Maria Cristina's sister Luisa Carlota was terrible; even Maria Cristina feared her. And it is likely that Luisa Carlota wanted to get rid of Maria Josepha, but we don't know for sure if she really had anything to do with her death. In any case, they were cousins: Maria Josepha was a granddaughter of Maria Amalia, while Luisa Carlota was a granddaughter of Maria Carolina.
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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2008, 05:06:52 PM »
Yes...Luisa Carlotta was horrible woman. Quite capable of bumming the barren queen off and slide her sister in...

The Bourbon Parma women were all strong ! From Isabel Farnese, Madame Elisabeth, Marie Amalia, Luisa of Spain (whose mother was a Princess of Parma)....all the way to Zita !

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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2010, 02:08:14 PM »
Poor Maria Josepha who clutched her faith & roseries was rumored to have been poisoned.
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Re: Fernando VII of Spain and his family
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2010, 09:53:50 AM »
Poor Maria Josepha who clutched her faith & roseries was rumored to have been poisoned.

Maria Josepha, who was so naive, was surrounded by evil women: her sisters-in-law Luisa Carlota, Maria Theresa and Maria Francisca. Could it be possible that one of them poisoned her? I guess we'll never know for sure.
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