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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #165 on: June 13, 2006, 10:06:47 AM »
Hey, Ssyentz, nice to hear from you!  

Getting back to Sarah, here are some pics form that Ladies' Home Journal article (courtesy of Katy on the British Royals Message Board)





Could they be more retouched???  
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« Reply #166 on: June 13, 2006, 11:24:20 AM »
Good Lord, I'm far from being a prude and fancy myself quite liberal, but as a royal fan and as the father of a 16 year old daughter, I think that picture is in extremely poor taste and even worse judgement.  Two royal princesses - the granddaughters of a reigning monarch -  should not be photographed like this - much less before their 18th birthdays!

Before I get jumped over - yes, everyone is attractively attired and not overly exposed.  I must admit it is an improvement over some recent photos I've seen of low-cut bodices.

That said - that picture is clearly intended to be suggestive.  The whole "lacy outfit / high heels" thing with Eugenie, and the reclining Duchess on a a bed / divan, are simply in poor taste.  And don't even get me started on the pose they put Beatrice in!!!!  Can you imagine an adolescent Princess Anne or Diana ever allowing themselves to be photographed like that?

Modern is great, and projecting independence is fine too.  But when one is a few steps from the throne currently occupied by one's 80-year-old grandmother, one should leave this kind of picture to Paris Hilton....

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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #167 on: June 13, 2006, 11:42:56 AM »
Chris,

I agree with you and I am the most liberal of the liberal.  This is a "family" photograph for "Good Housekepping" NOT "Vogue" or "Harper's & Queen".

These girls must remeber they are Princesses and Royal Granddaughters of QEII.  If they do not want to act the part of a member of the British Royal Family then they need to give up their HRHs and go hang with their cousin Zara.

B & E could take a few lesson from their non-royal cousin, Lady Gaberilla Windsor.

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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #168 on: June 13, 2006, 12:25:07 PM »
I'm pretty liberal myself but there is such a thing as good manners. My mother would've died if I'd sat like Eugenie is with my legs spread and one bent up--let alone been photographed that way!  :o And my grandmother isn't the Queen of England.

Beatrice may be wearing a touch too much makeup but I think she comes off the best--no reclining on beds, no spread legs, pretty dress and shoes--and with both legs together. She is at least going to be 18 in a couple of months.
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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #169 on: June 13, 2006, 12:47:56 PM »
Truly astonishing!      (.....and that even after opening the porn near the Garter article about Sarah in the Sun)

Poor Queen Elizabeth she is hurt by her kids all of the time......just like the rest of us.  

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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #170 on: June 13, 2006, 01:23:03 PM »
Sarah's means of support depends on her celebrity.  With a very few exceptions, celebrity in this day depends on youth.  Thus, she has to exploit her daughters.  Although, I suspect that consciously she doesn't realize that's what she is doing and why.  I want to like those girls, so I'm very uncomfortable with the way she uses them for publicity.

Also, SO nice to hear from Their Graces (and the actual Grace too) the Duchesses of Dover (Dowager) and Dermount.  It brings back lovely memories of our collective efforts on the Novel Ducal Desire.  Has that gone to print yet?

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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #171 on: June 13, 2006, 02:00:07 PM »
Janet,

I beleve there is a difference between being the daughter of Mick Jagger and the daughter of HRH The Prince Andrew, just like there is a diference between being Paris Hilton and Chelsea Clinton.

The York Princess belong to Britian and history the way the young Ms. Clinton belongs to the USA and history.  They have a resposibilty not to embarass their respective countries and parents.  As Sarah's number fan and ardent supporter, I do not understand why Sarah does not see or understand this. I wonder what Andrew thinks about this.

No matter what one thinks about old "Princess Pushy" she has raised one very fine young lady in "Ella" Windsor.  Shara needs to take a lesson from, old "P.P.".  "Princess Pushy" made sure her daughter did not repeat her own mistakes.

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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #172 on: June 20, 2006, 08:43:48 AM »
Hmm -- most interesting.  Sarah Ferguson has just appeared on British television on ITV's "This Morning" program where she spoke of, among other things, her recent notorious interview stating that she and her daughters watch DVD's each and every weekend.

She now claims that this was said as a joke and that it was taken out of context!  

I think she was surprised by the backlash her comments caused but I don't believe for a moment that she was joking -- she gave far too many details for it to be a joke.  Has she copped a bit of flak from someone from "the firm" to make her recant her story?  Personally, I don't think the RF cares what she does now as she is no longer a member but I doubt that the way she has spoken of her daughters and presented them would be much appreciated at the palace.  :-?    
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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #173 on: June 20, 2006, 10:45:01 AM »
Actually, it would seem to me that there could be an "initiative" underway to slowly re-introduce Sarah to the fold - her attendance at the Garter Installation ceremony for Andrew this week was - if I am not mistaken - the first time she's attended a formal ceremonial occasion, except of course for the funerals of the QM and Diana.

I did note, however, that Sarah was NOT invited to attend the reception afterwards.  THAT would have required her to mingle socially with the Duke of Edinburgh, which he would not allow.

From what I've read, the Duke of Edinburgh is the principal roadblock to Sarah being included in family events.  It is widely reported that the Queen defers to the Duke on most family matters, and Phillip most definitely views Sarah as a burr in his saddle.  It wouldn't surprise me if the Queen softens to Sarah - inviting her to more family occasions - after the Duke has passed (in the likely event, of course, that HM survives her husband).

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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #174 on: June 20, 2006, 04:23:27 PM »
I think that Sarah was asked to the Garter ceremony as a courtesy, as the ceremony involved Andrew, her former husband, whom she is obviously still close to in certain aspects anyway.  This and the fact that she is mother to two of the Queen and Prince Philip's grandchildren.  I don't think it necessarily means the RF want her back.  I think it's just protocol, personally.

Sarah has said that she doesn't want to be "royal" again but if Prince Philip is indeed the roadblock to her return in some form or other, it will be interesting to see what happens once he is no longer with us as the Queen is not known for her interference in her children's lives.
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« Reply #175 on: June 20, 2006, 04:32:46 PM »
I agree it's very interesting that Sarah is changing her tune now that there's been a negative brouhaha about that article in LHJ.  
As for her appearance at the Garter ceremony, likely the powers that be at the palace thought it would be much easier to have her there than not.  The papers may have been apt to make an issue out of her being 'left out' and that might have been more difficult to deal with/more damaging in the long run.  They likely knew that Sarah would be on her best behaviour in a situation such as the Garter.  
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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #176 on: June 20, 2006, 08:28:26 PM »
In terms of it being easier to just invite her, what makes this year different than others? Is it just that Beatrice & Eugenie are getting older and it looks more obvious when they're in royal events and their mother's not?

As for becoming 'royal' again--if the rumors about Andy & Fergie are true, than she has the best of both worlds as it is now. She lives in his house (is that still the case?), is still known as Sarah, Duchess of York (though in the US, they just say the Duchess of York), and has a relatively good amount of name recognition and the invitations to go with it. On the other hand, she doesn't have to deal with royal protocol and restrictions--something she had difficulty with in her marriage or deal with Philip. Sure, there's some loss in prestige but the relative freedom is probably worth it.
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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #177 on: June 21, 2006, 09:04:23 AM »
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In terms of it being easier to just invite her, what makes this year different than others?

Well, this was the first year that Andrew participated wasn't it?  A milestone of sorts.
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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #178 on: June 21, 2006, 10:50:27 AM »
Run for pities sake, here come the "guardians of public opinion du jour" in force.
Yes, TV is bad BAD I tell you!

Oh let the family do as they will as long as they are not hurting anyone. Not everyone is meant to be a scholar, or a brain surgeon and not everyone WANTS to be.
The girls seem happy with their mother, and she seems very down to earth with them.

If she is straight with them and levels with them about things like the need for money and the special position they are in they will do a darned site better than having some pushy, Martha Stewart-esque mother who twists herself and her family to represent whatever the era in question presents as the "ideal"
Sarah's an individual and her kids will be too. With their background it doesn't matter one way or another whether they could read Jane Eyre backward at the age of three or can't read until they are thirty-three.

They don't really need to strive to impress and compete for a bit of medical insurance or the chance to live in a "gated community" like the middle classes or the Yanks. They are fine from day one.

So crack open a beer and pop the Bloodsport III into the old DVD, Sarah dear. Life's too short to live for a bunch of disapproving, sniffy strangers.
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Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York
« Reply #179 on: June 21, 2006, 12:48:28 PM »
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In terms of it being easier to just invite her, what makes this year different than others?

Well, this was the first year that Andrew participated wasn't it?  A milestone of sorts.

Ah, that makes sense. Many thanks.  :)
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