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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2005, 06:09:53 AM »
Hi Richard,

Thank you for notifying the Defense of your position.

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2005, 06:14:57 AM »
Presiding Judge (as FA) and Counsel for the Defence

A bit of help required - does anyone know where I can find the Coronation oath of the Romanovs - clealry there must be one.  I have searched the AP site to no avail and bits and pieces may be found at various locations on the web.  But does anyone have the full text?

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2005, 11:10:24 PM »
Your Honor,

If the Court pleases, may we hear your ruling regarding the Challenges the Defense has submitted to the Court?

Thank you Your Honor

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2005, 11:23:22 PM »
Thank you Rob for allowing me the opportunity to participate with this hypothetical exercise.

I have enjoyed what we were attempting to achieve here, for the benefit of all.

I must now step aside and allow others to continue should they wish to continue.

My active participation not just on this thread, but on this forum has been rich and rewarding.

I wish to particulary thank James H. for his generous and continuing support and enthusiasm as a an active member of the Defense Team.

Also, I wish to further thank Richard for being such a gracious and worthy opponent.  

To Rob and Bob I thank you both for enabling such a magnificent and diverse resource to reach out into the world. I have the utmost respect for you both.

I sincerely wish you the very best in your continuing endeavors.

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2005, 03:06:03 PM »
Dear Sirs:

I must now inform you that I am withdrawing as the secondary member of the Defense team.
With the resignation of Belochka as the primary member and leader of the team I do not feel I am qualified to carry on the defense alone. I have neither the training nor ability to do adequate justice to such an endeavor.
My work has been to support with research and suggestions.
This will enable the court to appoint a new defense team to carry on this most worthwhile exercise. I hope that will be the case.
I am sorry that events have made it necessary for Belochka to withdraw, and I hope she be back with us soon. I have had a most interesting and enjoyable time working with her. She has been magnificent in keeping our team going. Her work for our defense project has been nothing but professional and superb.
I most heartily second her remarks to Richard. It has been a richly rewarding experience matching wits with his prosecution of the case. Thank you for all you have done to make this exercise a success.
I also express my thanks to the Rob and Bob for making this possible. Your support has been generous and very much appreciated.
I look forward to seeing the outcome of this case.
I remain respectfully your,
James Hogland

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2005, 10:48:20 PM »
With much encouragment from a few I have re-assessed my former decision, and have decided that it is best for everyone who has actively and enthusiastically participated with the "Trial", that I must continue as First Chair for the Defense.

It would be an honor if James H. shall continue to support me in the same gracious manner as he always demonstrated.

Thank you,

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2005, 09:01:42 AM »
Belochka,
The Court is most pleased that you have reconsidered and are willing to continue.

To answer your question of the 23rd, which I confess I missed reading, I ruled earlier on the Prosecution's requests, over in the trial thread. We await the Prosecution's production of their allegations and evidence supporting.

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2005, 09:37:03 PM »
Thank you your Honor,

I am pleased to be back!

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2005, 03:03:13 AM »
I am awfully pleased to have you back - this would be a less happy place and less intellectually challenging place without you.
As an aside I have actually posted in the the trial pages what I think should be thye first argument namely what was the defendant's standing as the Commander in Chief of the Russian military, police etc.

I think this comes before we start to discuss which sub section of the act he can be said to have breached.

There is some really interesting bits and pieces around this - the October Manifesto etc - which i have quoted by the coronation oath could be important but I can't find a full copy anywhere?

So maybe we could have a trial within a trial on his role of Commander in Chief first.  This allows me the bite size chunks of work I can carry out.

I also agree that this site is a tremendously enriching experience and I have met friends and colleagues who have the same interests and enthusiasms as me around Russian history

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2005, 09:19:03 AM »
Richard,
There is no "trial within a trial" on that question. You submit your evidence to support your contention, and the trier of fact (the jury) will make that determination, it will simply be a preliminary determination to support subsequent questions of fact to be determined (ie: potential responsibility as C in C).

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2005, 09:12:44 PM »
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Thank you Richard, for your generous words of encouragement.

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2005, 01:38:01 AM »
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Presiding Judge (as FA) and Counsel for the Defence

A bit of help required - does anyone know where I can find the Coronation oath of the Romanovs - But does anyone have the full text?

Richard


Yes Richard, as a private individual and not as the Defense, I will be pleased to offer you assistance.

I have the text in Church Slavonic and and will personally translate the Declaration for the benefit of this Court.

Nikolai's solemn verbal Declaration (whilst on his knees dressed in full regalia) was not an Oath, but a prayer.

The prayer declared the Emperor's union with the people.

As soon as I complete my translation later this evening, I will post the English version here ...

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2005, 11:26:57 PM »
Richard,

While I was attempting to translate the Prayer into English, it was brought to my attention that a more worthy translation existed. This translation far better reflects the spiritual tenor of the words expressed by Nikolai, than I could ever hope to attempt.

The Coronation Prayer has been provided by the Russian Orthodox Church in Dallas Tx, with thanks.
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"O Lord God of our fathers, and King of kings,
Who created all things by Thy word, and by Thy wisdom has made man,
that he should walk uprightly and rule righteously over Thy world;
Thou has chosen me as Tsar and judge over Thy people.
I acknowledge Thine unsearchable purpose towards me, and bow in thankfulness before Thy Majesty.
Do Thou, my Lord and Governor, fit me for the work to which Thou hast sent me;
teach me and guide me in this great service.
May there be with me the wisdom which belongs to Thy throne;
send it from Thy Holy Heaven, that I may know what is well-pleasing in Thy sight, and what is right according to Thy commandment.
May my heart be in Thine hand, to accomplish all that is to the profit of the people committed to my charge,
and to Thy glory, that so in the day of Thy Judgement I may give Thee account of my stewardship without blame;
through the grace and mercy of Thy Son, Who was once crucified for us,
to Whom be all honour and glory with Thee and the Holy Spirit, the Giver of Life, unto the ages of ages.
Amen."


Declared by Emperor Nikolai Aleksandrovich
Tuesday, 14 May, 1896, Moscow

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« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2005, 10:12:34 AM »
Thanks very much for this, I am awaiting some more information about the Tsar's role as CiC but maybe we could proceed with the defence response to the piece I posted a couple of weeks ago about his role as CiC and see how we go from there.

I am surprised that there are so few visitors to this theme - but there you go.

Hope you are well

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I feel like one
Who treads alone
Some banquet-hall deserted,
Whose lights are fled,
Whose garlands dead,
And all, but he, departed!
Refrain:
Thus, in the stilly night,
Ere slumberís chain hath bound me,
Sad memíry brings the light
Of other days around me.

Thomas Moore 1815

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Re: Just A Serious Question
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2005, 09:32:16 PM »
Richard,

I am delighted that I was able to asssist you.  :D

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