Author Topic: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia  (Read 88532 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Forum Admin

  • Administrator
  • Velikye Knyaz
  • *****
  • Posts: 4665
  • www.alexanderpalace.org
    • View Profile
    • Alexander Palace Time Machine
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #435 on: April 12, 2006, 09:53:01 AM »
Annie,
Don't forget that the random mutation in Nicholas II's DNA was matched EXACTLY by his brother George, thus further proving conclusively that the remains are those of Nicholas!

Offline ordino

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 76
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #436 on: April 12, 2006, 10:10:25 AM »
Good point the reply of kayDee!, I also have read in some paper (I don´t have the paper) about the DNA´s issue. I agree with you KayDee I also believe AA=AN and since I m here in this super foro I believe more and I learn more each day.
Thanks. Ordino :)

Offline Ra-Ra-Rasputin

  • Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 814
  • Another Anastasia claimant; the ears match exactly
    • View Profile
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #437 on: April 12, 2006, 11:04:41 AM »
I'm guessing there's a post missing? Has something been deleted?

I'm not following the conversation here.

Rachel
xx
'History teaches that history teaches us nothing' ~ Hegel

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #438 on: April 12, 2006, 11:45:37 AM »
As if often happens,  we get side tracked from the topic which is NOT 101 Reasons AA was NOT GD Anastasia.  This topic is about:
[size=18]101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia[/size].

There are plenty of DNA threads where we can post as to why some of us think AA was not GD Anastasia.

 

AGRBear
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by AGRBear »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #439 on: April 12, 2006, 11:51:04 AM »
Post #1:

Quote
(We do this on another board I'm on -- not a history board, but I think it could be a good way to keep things straight.  The rules: no discussion here -- there are other threads for that -- just a list.  I'll start....)

1.Princess Xenia of Russian recognized her.

2.Alexandra Tegleva-Gilliard confirmed identical hallux valgus.

3.Distinctive "Romanov" blue eyes


"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #440 on: April 12, 2006, 11:52:54 AM »
Post #2:

Quote
(4) Gleb Botkin recognized her.
(5) the forensic evidence introduced into the German court about her ears supports her claim.
(6) damnit, we all want her to be Anastasia!
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #441 on: April 12, 2006, 11:54:00 AM »
Quote
7.  "The Man with the Pockets"
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #442 on: April 12, 2006, 11:55:09 AM »
Quote
8. She remembered the incident about her and her siblings throwing paper balls (?willing to be corrected) at passersby.
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #443 on: April 12, 2006, 11:56:04 AM »
Quote
9.  Identical Handwriting
10. Lili von Dehn recognized her
11.  She spoke Russian, French, English and (High) German
12.  Tatiana Botkin recognized her
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #444 on: April 12, 2006, 11:59:20 AM »
Quote
13. The scars
14. Princess Martha of Sweden, Crown-Princess of Norway believed her.
15.  former prima ballerina Mathilde Kschessinska, also met the her and believed her to be AN.

"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #445 on: April 12, 2006, 12:00:26 PM »
Quote
18. Peter Kurth speaks of similarities of the hands.
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #446 on: April 12, 2006, 12:01:51 PM »
Quote
19-She had childhood memories that she couldn't have read in any way in any book (Peter Kurth; Dominique Auclères; Harriet von Rathlef; Jimmy Blair Lovell; Tatiana Botkina, many other sources)

20- She had the same wild behavior than Anastasia (This source is not very reliable. The source it's ...me.  ;D)

21- She spoke in a very similar way than some of the Romanovs- I mean the level of her voice, the way she pronounce some words, lowering her voice tone  in the end of the phrases. (This was said by Nancy Leeds. I read it in "The Riddle of Anna Anderson" by Peter Kurth)

22- She walked an moved in the same way that Anastasia and some other Romanovs did. (Xenia Leeds and her daughter Nancy- Tatiana Botkina-Gleb Botkin-  In Peter Kurth book "The Riddle of Anna Anderson")

23- She laughed with the same kind of little laugh, very similar to a "squirrel one", and watching people with the corner of her eyes and not directly in their faces (Tatiana Botkina and Felix Dassel - Peter Kurth book: "The Riddle of Anna Anderson"; Jimmy Blair Lovell's book: "Anastasia; the Lost Princess". )

24-She corrected some wrong information (about the Grand Duchess Hospital) that Felix Dassel gave her on purpose to confound her and gave the right one

25- She spoke English in her dreams and under anesthesia ( Nurses in Dalldorf said it- Doctor Rudnev said it- Zinaida Tolstaïa said it. Peter Kurth; Dominique Auclères;Jimmy Blair Lovell)

26-She spoke French, but not very correctly when she was travelling in the "Berengaria" toward the USA (Same sources than above post. Remember that the Grand Duchess spoke French but not very well. As Alexandra herself, they aren't used to this language. In the other hand, Alexei did, for he always was talking to M. Gilliard)

27- She can WRITE in Russian. The graphologist wanted her to speak in her native tongue, but she plainly refused. Whe she leaves the room, they managed to find some notebooks where there were Anna Anderson's callygraphy in Russian - yes; that's mean cyrillic alphabet- for she was teaching Russian to Mrs. Heydebrand, the old lady who was living with her in Untenlengenhardt (Peter Kurth and Jimmy Blair Lovell) She always spoke Russian to her two little parrots and said the names of the flowers, equally in Russian.

28- She put perfume in Shura Tegleva's hands, for she must know an Anastasia's little joke when she was a little girl: AN would pour perfume in Shura's hand to her to pour it in Anastasia's forehead. She wants to smell "like a bouquet of flowers" (Peter Kurth; Jimmy Blair Lovell)

29- She said to Lili Denh, who show her an Alexandra's white and black photography, that Alix was wearing a brown dress in it (Jimmy Blair Lovell- Peter Kurth quotes that Lili recognized Anastasia, but he doesn't write about the photo)

30- Pierre Gilliard (who, later, states that AA had not the slighest ressemblance to Anastasia) called her "Imperial Highnes" when he saw her for the first time, and urged the doctors to move her from the St. Mary's Hospital to the "Mommsen" (Peter Kurth, Jimmy Blair Lovell, Alain Decaux, etc)

31- Anna Anderson was found bawling her eyes out, over the Imperial Family photos. She seemed very touched when she saw a pic of tatiana and cryed "Her Face! Her Face! " as she pointed it.  She also cried watching Alexandra in a family photo, saying: "My mother! My mother!" (Peter Kurth; Jimmy Lovell, etc)

32- This is the more important reason to me: when she was over the effects of anesthesia and delirant, she NEVER betrayed herself calling any of the Schanzkowska family member. She never said she was FS, but always Anastasia. She always called out: "Veronica! Veronica!" (Veronica was Alexander Tchaykovsky's sister) or "Mother! Mother! Where is my mother?" (When she spoke about the Imperial Family, she always talked about "How wonderful Alexandra was"). She never said: "Gertrude!" or "Felix!" or "Maria Juliana" etc.  (All sources quoted above)

To be continued!  ;D

RealAnastasia.
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #447 on: April 12, 2006, 12:04:13 PM »
Quote
No thankyou RealAnastasia, I've read your posts with interest and it's nice to see someone who is open minded and excepts others opinions despite their own, now hopefully we can get back to the subject of the thread!

Now I can add to it:

33.) When she met Gleb Botkin she asked him about his funny animals, drawings of animals dressed in human clothing that he drew for the Tsar's children whilst in captivity. (I hope I remembered the details right!)


Thanks again ;)

Rachael
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #448 on: April 12, 2006, 12:06:51 PM »
Quote
38.  AA had a small circular scar on her back-in the same location where Anastasia had a mole removed.

39.  She knew an incident which occured between the Empress, Lilith Dehn, Anna Vyrubova and the Grand Duchess Anastasia which had never been published.

 
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

Offline AGRBear

  • Velikye Knyaz
  • ****
  • Posts: 6611
  • The road to truth is the best one to travel.
    • View Profile
    • Romanov's  Russia
Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia
« Reply #449 on: April 12, 2006, 12:13:11 PM »
Quote
48- AN had INDEED a scar in her finger. Volkov himself said that he made this scar in Anastasia's finger with the door of a carriage. AA had the same scar, and a finger nearly stiff, without sensibility. AA opponents always said (reading Pierre Gilliard "La Fausse Anastasie", a book full of mistakes...In fact, he commited much more mistakes than Anna herself) that the girl who caught her finger in a carriage door was...Maria. I don't know if Maria had the same scar in a finger or not. But if we believe Volkov Statement, AN had a scar in her finger, inflicted by himself. ( Harriet Von Rathlef- Peter Kurth- Pierre Gilliard "La Fausse Anastasie"-Decaux-Castelot)

49- AA stated that there was a samovar in Moguilev when she visited there...Gilliard said it was not correct, that in the Tsar Palaces there was not a single samovar. The French historian André Castelot was very surprised: "Not a samovar in a Russian home?" "Its seems incredibly -said Gilliard proudly- But it was like this!"...When the journalist Dominique Auclères started her research in AA's case, she found (Harriet Rathlef had also pointed some of the Gilliard mistakes) that the Swiss professor had simply lied: there were samovars in the Tsar Palaces, and of course, there was one in Moguilev (Pierre Gilliard: "La Fausse Anastasie"-André Castelot-Dominique Auclères)

50-AA said that she (she mean "Anastasia", of course) was Colonel in the Blue Regiment and that she had her uniform like they sisters . Gilliard laugh at her in her book and states: "The youngest Grand Duchess never had a military grade, nor an uniform". Well; he lied again. Dominique Auclères found that Anastasia was indeed Colonel in the Blue Regiment. And doctor Schweitzer emailed me to tell me that there was an exhibition in Virginia, where the Anastasia's Colonel Uniform was shown. So AA didn't lie. Gilliard did. (Pierre Gilliard-Dominique Auclères)

51-Gilliard handled the investigators who helped him in his researchs about AA only FIVE photos of Grand Duchess Anastasia, and not very clear ones. Harriet Rathlef found out that he really provided FOUR photos of AN, for the last one was a Grand Duchess Olga's photo (Anastasia's elder sister) (Harriet Von Rathlef)

52- Pierre Gilliard claimed to have "burned" all the documents proving that AA wasn't AN. Why? Was him unsure of his statesments? (Peter Kurth-Dominique Auclères- James Blair Lovell)

53- The Imperial family in exile, payed too much attention to this claimant. They make war to her and published a document denying her as a Romanov. If it was not her. Why the bothered in such a way? Other claimants were alone in their personals "fight for identity". There were many Alexei in the USA's and anyone pay attention to them in "The Family". Other Anastasias surfaced after and before AA. Nobody bothered to fight againts them. They simply let them saying "I'm a Romanov". And you may notice that we are mainly discussing AA in the "Survivors" Forum...Even after the DNA results. Again. Why? (As personal reflection, you may, of course, delete this)

RealAnastasia.

More to come! ;)

These quotes are what interests the poster who think AA was GD Anastasia.  

This is a little over half of the 101.

This is what this topic is about.  You don't have to agree with it.  You don't have to like it, but this is a topic set up by Penny Wilson when she was a member of our forum.  Of course,  you can give your opinion about it since that is what has occured although the discussion was set up under another thread and not followed by many of us.

I do not believe AA was GD Anastasia. Nor do I believe we need to tangle up fact with misinformation to prove our case.  

AGRBear
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by AGRBear »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152