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101 Reasons AA was FS
« on: August 04, 2005, 12:40:18 PM »
(Same rules as the other thread.  Again, I'll start...)

1.The DNA

2.The Wingenders recognized her

3.FS disappeared in early 1920
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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2005, 12:45:11 PM »
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(Same rules as the other thread.  Again, I'll start...)

1.The DNA

2.The Wingenders recognized her

3.FS disappeared in early 1920


4. Her family recognized her (though later avoided responsibility by denying it, and some comments have come out over the years insinuating they knew it was her all along)

5. She looks like the picture of FS

6. She appeared in Berlin about the same time FS went missing from the same city

7. In the Nova special, Karl Maucher looks a lot like AA in the 1920's

8. Not only did the DNA tests prove it, there are no other leads as to who else she may have been.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2005, 12:47:45 PM »
9. A private investigator discovered her identity

10. She was said NOT to be Anastasia (or Tatiana)  by Felix Yussoupov, Olga Alexandrovna, Pierre Gilliard, and Sophie Buxohoevedon.

11. Her lips, chin, hair part and bone structure match the picture of FS
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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2005, 12:53:06 PM »
12.  The clothes AA was discovered in were the same ones that FS was wearing when last seen.


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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2005, 01:07:41 PM »
13. She never claimed to be Anastasia until someone said she was Tatiana.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2005, 02:29:47 PM »
14.  She was not recognized as Anastasia by Gibbes

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2005, 11:12:30 PM »
15. I had the shadows around the eyes and mouth removed from the photograph of the 'green" AA, and once that was done she looked almost identical, save for quality of photograph, to the 'red' FS .

16. Even a progression photograph of AN skinny and starved, looks nothing like AA's first photograph taken at the asylum.

17. The Schankowsky family today accepts AA as their long lost relative.

18. She often got the layout of rooms in the Alexander Palace wrong.

19. Close family and court  members, as well as household staff who had almost daily contact with the GD's did not recognize her.

20. Her story of the "Tchaikovsky" family bears a striking resemblence to the "Schankowsky" family. Both scions of the old Polish Noblility, both mothers named Marie/Marianne,etc.

21. She did not have a Russian accent

22. The mathmatical odds of her being anyone else is less than 1%  

23. This is all a repeat of the lost Dauphin stories, among other identity cases. For further details, read "The Lost King of France." Or, for something similar "The Lost German Slave Girl."

24. Eye color is not definite. Some people report AN as having had gray eyes, like her mother and brother.

25. Scar issue is not definite, as no pictures and very few records of AN's scars exist.

26. Did not recognize Olga on their first meeting. She leaned over to Harriet and asked: "Ischt die das tante?"

27. Court testimony of friends and relatives who talked of FS "putting on airs" and stessing great importance on her connection to the "Polish nobility."

28. At their first meeting, Felix S. based part of his denial on the fact that AA did "not" recognize him. As if there was a chance of her walking up to him and saying: "oh yes, this is my brother Felix. I'm not really AN. We can all go home now.")

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2005, 09:40:33 PM »
29- Gertrude Schanzkowska shouted out that she was indeed her sister Franziska. (The "Admit it! Admit it!" question. Do you remember? - Peter Kurth)

30- When questionned about her scars, AA said very sadly: "It was an accident...A very bad accident..." (Remember that FS had a "very bad accident" in the factory where she worked. She made a grenade fall, and killed a worker companion, feeling very guilty) (Peter Kurth)

31-She was very upset when Doris Wigender saw her in Seeon Castle and recognized her as FS.  (Peter Kurth)

32- She seemed very angry when Gertrude insisted about her being her sister (Peter Kurth)

NOTE: Remember that not all the "reasons" you wrote here, proved that AA was FS. You are only prooving that AA wasn't FS. For example: " She wasn't recognized by Gibbes" , "She was said not t be Anastasia" , "She never claied to be Anastasia until someone said she was Tatiana", "She didn't recognize Olga" etc.

NOTE 2: Maybe it's better not to put some too subjective infos as: " Not only DNA test proved it, but there are not other lead as to who to else she may have been" ; "The mathematical odds of her being anyone else is less than 1%" The whole idea here is to quote facts who made her FS, and the source of them. As for the matter of "I had the shadows aroun her eyes and mouth removed, etc..." I must said I made a similar comparison between AA pics and those of AN and I see them identical. Not to mention I see her similar to Maria Feodorovna. But I don't put it as a reason to AA to be AN, for I understand it's not very scientific. It's only my own subjectivity.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2005, 12:27:50 PM »
Are we all getting closer to the reality that AA was NOT AN but was FS...?

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2005, 03:10:40 PM »
AGAIN etonexile: This is no my opinion. These are only 101 reasons for AA was FS. There is also a thread for us to note 101 reasons AA could have been AN.

No discussion here, no arguments, no personal thoughts. Only EVIDENCE. I'm not more close to the idea that AA was FS than yesterday. I'm only doing what Penny wanted us to do in order to analyze all the possibilities about the case. Now; I'll go to open another thread: 101 reasons AA WAS NOT FS. And AGAIN: no opinions there but FACTS. You are of course, free to post what you wants here, even that I'm not me but a Polish Factory worker, plenty of ... ... and  ::) ::). If you does this, you must be pleased, fur I see clearly that you likes the people going upset. You must feel very ironical and bright, but in fact you are acting as a mean person who only cares about hurting others. I must confess that the first few times you really hurt me. Now, I understood what you want, and I will not be so fool to starting answering you back again. This is the LAST time I will answer you if you are "ironic" and cynic. Go on if you want. You will be speakint to the walls.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2005, 07:58:52 PM »
 34-Some Von Kleist and Leuchtenberg relatives believed that she was indeed FS. (Peter Kurth)

35-FS had serious mental problems- AA seemed to have suffered for some psychiatrical sickness (Decaux, Castelnau)

36- A neighbor in Charlottesville claimed she hear AA speaking in Polish when very old. (The source is this very site)

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2005, 09:40:16 PM »
There is some little mistakes here: AA could not have been AN, but not for that she would be FS.

-" She was not said to be Anastasia (or Tatiana) by Felix Yussupov , Olga Alexandrovna, etc"  it's an incorrect reason.It's belong to the "101 Reasons AA was not GD Anastasia".

-"She never claimed to be Anastasia until someone said she was Tatiana" also belongs to "101 Reasons AA was not GD Anastasia".

-"She was nor recognized as Anastasia by Gibbes" , belongs to "101 Reasons AA was not GD Anastasia".

-"Close family members and as well as household staff who had almost daily contact with GD 's didn't recognize her" (Same than above).

The story of the France Dauphin could not be accepted here. A case could ressemble a lot to another and be true. I don't know if the Dauphin case is fake or not, but it's not evidence here, anyway.

The mathematical odds of her being anyone else, is not evidence. It's opinion. We have already the DNA as a reason. We quote the DNA issue at first in this thread. Penny Wilson did it.

The AN scars are recorded by people who knew herd. The mole is recalled by a "Standart" sailor (who didn't recognized AA as AN anyway, so you may see that my post is not biased, even if I have my own opinion in the matter); the Hallux Valgus was noted by Shura Gilliard who added that one of the footh was worse than the other and she also said seeing AA's body searching for "identity scars" "This is Anastasia's body". The scar in the forehead was noted by Herminie Ribbes . And I'm sure there were other people who saw it. Let me go search if I find the accounts about it.


The fact that "she didn't recognize Olga" could make her other that AN, but didn't make her FS.

The fact she got the Alexander Palace room order wrong didn't make her FS.

Sorry. I wouldn't mean to be rude. I only wanted to keep the rules.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was FS
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2005, 08:22:22 PM »
37. The scars on her body seemed to have been too random and numerous to have come from a bayonet attack, but would more accurately coincide with schrapnel and debris from an exploding grenade.  
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