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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2005, 08:51:38 AM »
Ra-Ra Amelie * does mexican wave in agreement* ( don't like cricket though  ;)
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2005, 12:41:13 PM »
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"He wanted to be discrete with every thing he did". Hmmmmm sounds like a man with something to hide 8) And I agree with Bluetoria on the portrait thang.... just look at that mean, cruel, narrow mouth. Nasty piece of work. Just ask Ryskkia what she thinks.


not all people who are discrete have something to hide. not something awful anyway, cause then we all have stuff we don't wanna shout to the world.

the times were hard and he had to be careful who he confided in. there were many people after his throne and he knew it.

edited to add: about the paintings... it depends on the artist... here are some in which he doesn't look like a villain:





this one was painted around 1500 when he was still alive (doesn't look that bad, does it?)






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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2005, 02:24:07 AM »
Oh gosh...look at the top picture. Now would you, honestly buy a used car off this man ;)
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2005, 05:31:54 AM »
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Oh gosh...look at the top picture. Now would you, honestly buy a used car off this man ;)


Depends how much he's asking LOL!!
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2005, 11:59:07 AM »
ugh

i think he looks nice :P
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2005, 01:02:18 PM »
Oh perrrrrlease....well we will have to agree to disagree.
Portrait 1 -Dodgey used car salesman (apologies to all you used car salesmen out there)
Portrait 2 - Feigned innocence-I didn't kill the Princes....honest guv'nor
Portrait 3 - Looks intelligent here though...look, he's counting on his fingers how many Yorkists he has yet to kill.
Portrait 4 -If I purse my lips I look like Anna Anderson (whoops wrong thread)
;) ;) Regards Kim xxx
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2005, 01:18:26 PM »
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"He wanted to be discrete with every thing he did". Hmmmmm sounds like a man with something to hide 8) And I agree with Bluetoria on the portrait thang.... just look at that mean, cruel, narrow mouth. Nasty piece of work. Just ask Ryskkia what she thinks.



Not as cruel & devious as his predecessor Richard III, who murdered his own nephews.  I love the way the Ricardists try to revise history. He looks like someone who keeps his own counsel, and wisely so.  


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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2005, 05:32:49 PM »
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Oh perrrrrlease....well we will have to agree to disagree.
Portrait 1 -Dodgey used car salesman (apologies to all you used car salesmen out there)
Portrait 2 - Feigned innocence-I didn't kill the Princes....honest guv'nor
Portrait 3 - Looks intelligent here though...look, he's counting on his fingers how many Yorkists he has yet to kill.
Portrait 4 -If I purse my lips I look like Anna Anderson (whoops wrong thread)
 ;) ;) Regards Kim xxx




LOL....

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2005, 08:18:29 AM »
*sighs and shrugs*

we probably won't agree ever :)
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2005, 01:01:15 PM »
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Not as cruel & devious as his predecessor Richard III, who murdered his own nephews.  I love the way the Ricardists try to revise history. He looks like someone who keeps his own counsel, and wisely so.  



Hey, hey, what about the Tudorists and THEIR revision of history after Richard's death? Don't even get me started on More's shoddy scholarship...

Also, keep in mind that Richard has been twice tried and twice acquitted by modern-day courts of the murders of his nephews. I mean, your opinion is your opinion, but please don't state it as fact. We don't even know if the boys died during Richard's reign, let alone that he had them killed. I'm not too fond of Henry VII, but I'm certainly not going to go about insulting him. He was an extremely able administrator, and he seems to have genuinely cared for his wife, as we have reports of him being grief-stricken at her death, and he never did remarry, despite negotiations. He left his son a full treasury, a throne mostly secure, and a carefully-acquired prestige among the other courts of Europe. None too shoddy for a Welsh adventurer...;)

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2005, 03:43:32 PM »
........ and usurper.... ;)
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2005, 03:52:13 PM »
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........ and usurper.... ;)


lol As always, that one depends on your point of view, but I'm inclined to agree with you. Can't imagine why, of course...;)

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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2005, 05:15:11 AM »
from many points of view, richard 3rd was himself a usurper :)
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2005, 10:28:09 AM »
I am not going to go there today........I am feeling a bit "precious" 8)
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Re: Henry VII
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2005, 12:03:18 PM »
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from many points of view, richard 3rd was himself a usurper :)


Sure he was....I mean think about he got there, killed his two nephews, spread rumors about his mother being unfaithful to his father & his brother being illegitimate, may have been behind the Duke of Clarence's issues...  He is the king of usurpers ;D ;D