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101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« on: August 06, 2005, 06:49:23 PM »
1.  The DNA

2.  The excuses she made for not speaking Russian.  

3.  No real evidence that the Tsarevich and the Grand Duchesses ever started lessons in the German language

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2005, 09:07:42 PM »
A little correction in the last one, Greshniya: The Imperial Children DID attend German lessons, even in Tobolsk. They are recorded. I think they attend German lessons three days a week, starting 8 in the morning, and ending at 9. I must check the proffessor that teach them in Peter Kurth book, and the days they did.

But now, some other reasons about why AA was not Anastasia:

4-One time when she attended Church in Berlin, she crossed herself as a Roman Catholic. Harriet Rathlef denied it. (Peter Kurth)

5-She never could repport a real story about Ekaterinburg murder,her escape and who rescued her (Peter Kurth, Castelot, Robert K. Massie, Decaux)

6- She mistaked a doctor with a relative (Peter Kurth)

7-Gilliard wrote (later) that she have "no ressemblance" with her pupil, and that "her ears, her hairs, her nose" are totally different than Anastasia's one. The only ressemblance was in the eyes. (Castelot, Decaux, Robert. K. Massie. Jimy Blair Lovell)

8- Darya Hessé, daughter of the later Commandant of the garnison at Tsarkoe Selo didn't recognized her, laughed at her and said she was an impostor (Peter Kurth)

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2005, 09:32:56 PM »
(Was it only Mr. Kurth that said that the Grand Duchesses were learning German?  Alexei never spoke a word of it, anyhow.  I have read in other sources that Alexandra Feodorovna was not interested in having her daughters learn to speak German, particularly once the Great War had begun.)

9.  Anna Anderson hid her face during certain confrontations with people that knew the Imperial Family.

10.  After a while Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna had her doubts about the entire matter.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2005, 02:55:42 PM »
11-AA said that her mother  liked to be more with Maria than with anyone of OTMA. We know that Alexandra liked, over all things, to be with Tatiana. (Harriet Von Rathlef- Peter Kurth)

12- AA said that she wasn't allowed to smoke, but that Tatiana and her liked to smoke and did it. (Actually, OTMA were allowed to smoke. There are some snapshots with them doing it) (Harriet Von Ratlef; Peter Kurth)

13- Most of the time, AA wouldn't meet the people that her supporters wanted introduce to her. It was like if she had afraid of they wouldn't recognize them or them doesn't recognize her. (All the books written about AA)

14- She became very angry when someone would doubt that she could have been Grand Duchess Anastasia (James Blair Lovell)

15-She didn't recognize Irene at the first glance in Funkenmühle (Peter Kurth).

16-Nobody could find the slightless evidence about the existence of anyone named "Alexander Tchaikovsky". There was no Tchaikovsky fellow in the murder squad. (Peter Kurth; Penny Wilson; Greg King)

17- Nobody could find any evidence of AA living in Rumania, as she claimed. (Peter Kurth; Blair Lovell)

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2005, 03:01:52 PM »
Are we mostly of a mind that AA was not AN....finely?

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2005, 05:57:15 PM »
18.  When the bones found in the Koptiaki forest were analyzed, the Russian scientists declared that the two children missing from that particular grave were the Tsarevich and his sister Marie Nikolaevna; and when the remains were laid to rest, Russia accepted the fact that Anastasia Nikolaevna's were among them.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2005, 08:42:05 PM »
19- Some historians doesn't believe that anyone could possibily have survived the Ipatiev Massacre. The Romanov bones were too damaged , and show they have suffered great destruction. Experts believe the destruction was done BEFORE they death. (Robert K. Massie)

20- The two missing corpses were not found, but some experts wouldn't said this mean them surviving. They must be somewhere in Koptiaky Forest. (Robert K. Massie)

21- AA couldn't recall how many time the Romanov spent in Ekaterinburg (Peter Kurth)

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2005, 05:26:22 PM »
22. People who "recognized" AA/FS as AN were offered lfinancial incentives from the "Grandanor corporation", should AA/FS win recognition in the courts.  

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2005, 07:35:49 PM »
23- AA was sometimes very haughty whit people who tryed to help her. As far as I know, Anastasia wasn't a bit haughty, nor would said things as: "I'm the daughter of YOUR Tsar!" (Peter Kurth, Harriet Rathlef, Decaux, Jimmy Blair Lovell)

24- She was always upset when people comes to know her, for she didn't like to prove who she was (Peter Kurth, Blair Lovell, Auclères).

25- When the Judges, in the Germany Trials wanted her to a depositon of her case, she said she wouldn't go. (Dominique Auclères, Peter Kurth, Alain Decaux, Robert K. Massie, André Castelot)

26- One of the witnesses in the Germany Trials, Lacher, who was in the "execution squad" in the House Ipatiev, (in those times we doesn't know he was shooting, but inestead, he said he was locked in his bedroom , and saw what was happening by a window), wrote that Anastasia was died when he saw Yurovsky's men loading the corpses in the truck. He swore that he saw, indeed ELEVEN CORPSES loaded in the truck. (Dominique Auclères-Peter Kurth)

27- AA was always speaking about her "past" as if there was the only thing in the world about what she really cared. And she was always saying strange remarks in the middle of normal conversations, over the lines of: "Yes; this weather recall me my hometwon"; "Charlottesville is very similar to Tsarkoie Selo". "This man is like Yusupov when he was young; all people would fell in love with him" (Peter Kurth; Harriet Rathlef, Blair Lovell)

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2005, 09:17:02 PM »
While the kids probably did study German, it was the least used of their languages. The family spoke Russian and English, and French was the language of the court. Even German relations Ella, Ernie, and the Kaiser all spoke and wrote to the family in English. (Alix, Ella, Ernie and their siblings were German but also half British, they had an English nanny and spent much time with Queen Victoria, especially after the death of their mother at a young age, so they used more English than German all their lives) So it is very unlikely German would have become Anastasia's main and best language, quite the opposite, it would be the lesser of the four.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2005, 09:22:23 PM »
28. She never claimed to be a Grand Duchess until someone at the asylum said she looked like Tatiana. She only changed to Anastasia after Sophie B. said she was too short to be Tatiana.

29. Felix Yussoupov pronounced her a 'frightful playactress'

30.Olga Alexandrovna, who was very close to her niece, said she had a special bond with Anastasia, and it wasn't there, it wasn't her.

31. She got the finger story wrong, saying she "Anastasia" got it shut in a carriage door, really, it was Marie who shut a finger in a train door.

32. Her story of escape from Ekaterinburg is unrealistic and unverifiable. Her 'rescuer' did not exist.

33. She had very different bone structure, a much larger mouth, fuller lips, and a completely different shaped chin than Anastasia.

34. While people sometimes use AA's alleged resemblance to Marie F. as evidence, the real Anastasia looked nothing like her grandmother, other than in height. She had blue eyes, Marie F. had brown. She had different shaped features. Anastasia, in the last pic I ever saw of her, resembled her aunt, Olga A., more than any relative. I was just reading Lili Dehn's book, and in it she had letters she had gotten from Alexandra while the family was in captivity in which Alexandra said that Marie was thinner, but described Anastasia as 'short and stout'. (not petite and dainty)
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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2005, 09:21:57 PM »
Be careful not to write down reasons ALREADY written for other "Palace Members". We had already pointed that Alexander Tchaikovsky seems to have been a made up character by AA who couldn't explain her escape in another way.

33-Tchaikovsky is a name too close to Schanskovsky. He could have been FS and not AN (I read it in this Forum, and I think it's a good reason to note here)

34-At first, she didn't recognize Volkov who didn't seem to knew her, anyway. (Peter Kurth; von Rathlef, Blair Lovell)

35- She was confused when Gilliard visited her in the hospital. She didn't recognize him.    (Peter Kurth)

36- It was not clear if she knew Sophie Buxhoeveden (Peter Kurth; Blair Lovell)

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2005, 09:42:00 PM »
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Be careful not to write down reasons ALREADY written for other "Palace Members". We had already pointed that Alexander Tchaikovsky seems to have been a made up character by AA who couldn't explain her escape in another way.

33-Tchaikovsky is a name too close to Schanskovsky. He could have been FS and not AN (I read it in this Forum, and I think it's a good reason to note here)

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Sorry about the double. But I don't think she made up the name because it was like hers, I think she chose it because it was what she came up with. Let's see, a Russian name, a popular Russian name is Alexander, and, oh man, what about a last name, oh yeah, that famous composer, what was his name? Tchiakovsky! That's where I think she got the name, made it up from the first Russian associated names she came up with.


PS you need to renumber yours, I have up to 34
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Annie »

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2005, 09:52:18 PM »
I would just like to mention that I am hypnotizing Annie via pm and am confident that sometime in the next 50 years I will have her completely convinced of my way of thinking.  She will also be voting Democratic and will enjoy listening to Barry Manilow.

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Re: 101 Reasons AA was not Anastasia Nikolaevna
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2005, 06:46:51 PM »
Again...This is not a thread to argue about reasons. But I'm only saying this: "Is Tchaikovsky a so common name in Russia? This seems a joke but, Romanov is a more, more common name than Tchaikovsky. As for Tchaikovsky...It is not a name of Polish roots? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I read somewhere that the musician Tchaikovsky was of Polish heritage?

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