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Re: King Louis XIV
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2005, 11:34:05 AM »


Louis was the personification of vanity, but also of power!
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2005, 11:56:16 AM »
One must remember that when Louis was a small child, the French nobility engaged in a coup, known as the Fronde, against the crown.  His mother and Cardinal Richelieu barely escaped with their lives, and the young Louis was severely traumatized in much the same way that Peter the Great was by the palace coup against his mother and her relatives in his childhood.

Louis grew up knowing that the only way to secure the safety of himself and his dynasty was to quash the political aspirations of a fractious nobility.  In fact, Versailles was enlarged into the "gilded cage" it became under Louis for largely political reasons.  Louis needed to cut the senior nobility off from their bases of support in their regional estates, and he devised the plan of luring them to Versailles.

In pursuit of that aim, he created both positive reinforcements and negative consequences relating to Versailles.  For reinforcement, he made Versailles the center of culture and entertainment in France.  It had to be a lush, never-ending -- and ultimatly addictive -- parade of music, art, high society, games and sundry other diversions.  On the consequences side of it, no one who did not spend a considerable portion of their year in or near Versailles had any hope of receiving lucrative appointments for themselves or their family members, state pensions, or other preferments.

Part of Louis' plan was to make life at Versailles so ruinously expensive for the nobility that they would be devoid of funds with which to raise private armies or pursue other political agendas.  Hence the ever-escalating elaboration of dress and entertainment expenses, the encouragement of high-stakes gambling, etc.

The primary reason Louis developed such a ponderous court etiquette was to give the nobility something to connive and fight over other than real political power.  If he could make the right to hold the king's right glove during the Grand Lever more desperately sought after than the right to hold the king's left glove, then he could effectively emasculate his nobility.  He did just that.

It was initially a brilliant strategy that bought France several generations of respite from civil war.  It was also a strategy that developed a life of its own, living well beyond Louis' need for it and ultimately contributing to the collapse of the monarchy.
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Re: King Louis XIV
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2005, 12:01:42 PM »

Indeed, Louis destoyed the nobility's power to such an extent, that nobles could only content themselves flattering the King to see if they gained His favour.


About the Fronde, I suppose you meant Mazarin, didn't you?
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2005, 12:25:01 PM »
Sorry . . . I did mean Mazarin.  Thanks for the catch.

I sometimes post while at work and get in too big a hurry.  I was thinking about writing a post about the Musketeers and apparently had Richelieu on the brain.

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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2005, 12:29:56 PM »


Nothing wrong with that, it happens quite often to everybody, I suppose!
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2005, 04:16:31 PM »
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Louis was the personification of vanity, but also of power!


Just like me  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: King Louis XIV
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2005, 11:33:27 AM »
Votre Altesse "Grand Duke", voici votre palais  ;):

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Re: King Louis XIV
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2005, 05:38:27 AM »
Here's some pics:





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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2005, 06:29:59 AM »
Wow, you were there! Wonderful! I would imagine that it is quite awe-inspiring in person!!
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2005, 07:42:03 AM »


I was there this past 3rd August!!!


Later i'll try to post up some photos I took there!

It was really worth it!
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Re: King Louis XIV
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2005, 07:44:10 AM »
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I was there this past 3rd August!!!


Later i'll try to post up some photos I took there!

It was really worth it!


Oooh . .. please, please post them umigon!!! That would be a treat for all of us!!!!
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2005, 09:21:37 AM »


Ok, I will try to post the ones that were best done!


Here they are:

An image of Versailles as you approach to the palace






Louis XIV's statue:






The famous golden clock:



A view from the gardens:






The bedroom of la dauphine Marķa Teresa, which was then the bedroom of her beloved husband, le dauphin Louis Ferdinand, son of Louis XV:




The famous Hall of Mirrors:



A figure of Marie Antoinette in her bedroom:



Marie Antoinette's bed:




Sadly it was to late to go to the gardens, so in my next trip to Paris, I'll return to Versailles!

Hope you liked the pics!!
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Re: King Louis XIV
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2005, 09:47:08 AM »
Thanks you so much, umigon!!!!!!!!! they are beautiful pics!!!
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2005, 09:49:36 AM »
Beautiful pics, thank you very much!

OMG, the 1st photo has the time 12.10 pm and the last 5.15 pm - 5 hours at the Palace and you didn't get to see everything!  :o :o :o

Maybe is a week enough?  ;D
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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2005, 09:53:05 AM »


There is a little secret about the hour... they were taken on two separate days! Yes, the first day the queue was of, at least, two hours, under the sun.


So I decided to wait and I went other day after having lunch, supposing there would be less people... I was right!
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