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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #60 on: September 07, 2005, 10:51:01 AM »
Plowden sees no evidence that Minette was Louis's lover, but I guess there is no evidence either way . . . I think Louis was charmed by Minette, as everyone was, but I don't think there was an affair . . . Minette, remember, was very Catholic, like her mother . . . In fact, when Henrietta Maria suspected she was having an affair with de Guiche, she read her daughter the riot act, and Minette apologised profusely for her indiscreet behaviour, but never admitted to an affair.
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« Reply #61 on: September 07, 2005, 11:04:13 AM »


We must agree to disagree...


Minette was very very high-spirited and she certainly was Catholic, but not in the way her mother was. I can't imagine her, having such an intelligent and free spirit, denying herself having attractive and heterosexual men by her side  if she was able to have them!! And she was! I mean, her character was that of a fighter, and she was disappointed with her husband, so...

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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2005, 11:13:14 AM »
We will agree to diasgree!

I've never heard much about Minette's relations with her daughters? I know Anne-Marie was only about 1 when Minette died but Marie Louise was 8 or 9 . . . was Minette an affectionate mother? Anyone know?
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« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2005, 11:23:14 AM »


She seems to have been an affectionate mother, although Monsieur was probably closer to both Marie Louise and Anne Marie. But with Minette dying so young it isn't surprising!
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2005, 11:53:59 AM »
A little off topic, but was Liselotte a kind stepmother to Marie Louise and Anne Marie?
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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2005, 12:12:57 PM »


She was like their mother, in fact, Anne Marie called her mother.

This is what Liselotte wrote in about 1720 about her first years in France:

The best of them all was my stepdaughter, whom I loved with all my heart like a sister, for she could not be my daughter since I was only nine years older. I was still quite childish when I came here, and we played and carried on together...; we often made so much noise that people could not stand to be with us. There was an old lady here by the name of Madame de Fiennes, whom we used to pester mercilessly. She disliked the sound of shooting, and we always tossed firecrackers into her skirts; this drove her wild, and she would run after us trying to hit us, that was great fun for us.  
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2005, 12:20:08 PM »
Thanks umigon. Liselotte was another wonderful woman, but I think she, Minette and 'Monsieur' have their own thread on the French board . . .
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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2005, 12:29:16 PM »
Yes, they have! Lets return to our original topic!
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2005, 12:37:55 PM »
Mary, Princess Royal and Princess of Orange, died in London, for anyone who didn't know. She had contracted smallpox, and her brother Charles braved infection by never leaving her side. Henry, Duke of Gloucester, had died of smallpox some time earlier and his doctors had been accused of not bleeding him enough. Mary's doctors, determined not to make the same mistake, blead her so much she had no strength to fight the infection.

Just before her death she signed a will, entrusting care of her son William to her brother Charles and mother, Henrietta Maria. She died, aged just 29.
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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2005, 12:40:56 PM »


But William wasn't brought up neither by Charles or Henrietta, was him? He would have probably become a Catholic, had he lived with Henrietta!
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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2005, 12:44:00 PM »
Actually, Henrietta Maria never met him . . . and Charles was very willing to delegate his duties with regards to William's upbringing . . .
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« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2005, 12:52:12 PM »
Was Henrietta close to her daughter Mary?
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2005, 01:59:14 PM »
William was brought up mostly by granny Amalia, I believe. I don't know if Henrietta was close to her daughter Mary - Prince Lieven, what does Alison Plowden have to say?
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2005, 02:04:18 PM »
As I said before, Henrietta, Charles and their children were considered unusually close. Henrietta accompanied Mary to Holland and spent sometime with her in the early days of her marriage . . .  When Mary visited France in the 1650s, she had not see Henrietta for about 10 years, but apprently they greeted each other very happily, and spent some time together. I think Henrietta was closest to Charles and Minette of all her children.
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Re: Charles I and family
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2005, 12:13:18 AM »
Well, I think Henry was far more handsome than William... at leats if I compare this portrait with those og William that have survived.


But still, that's just my opinion.
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