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Re: Duke Philippe d'Orléans (brother of Louis XIV), and his family
« Reply #90 on: August 26, 2009, 01:25:30 PM »
I found one more image:

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« Reply #91 on: September 09, 2009, 01:03:36 AM »
 SECTION XXXV.—VICTOR AMADEUS, KING OF SICILY.

It is said that the King of Sicily is always in ill humour, and that he is always quarrelling with his mistresses. He and Madame de Verrue have quarrelled, they say, for whole days together. I wonder how the good Queen can love him with such constancy; but she is a most virtuous person and patience itself. Since the King had no mistresses he lives upon better terms with her. Devotion has softened his heart and his temper.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3859/3859-h/3859-h.htm#2H_SECT08http://

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Re: Duke Philippe d'Orléans (brother of Louis XIV), and his family
« Reply #92 on: September 21, 2009, 06:43:15 PM »
I found some images:

Monument
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Re: Duke Philippe d'Orléans (brother of Louis XIV), and his family
« Reply #93 on: September 22, 2009, 07:41:39 PM »
I recently created a wikipedia article of her eldest son named "Victor Amadeus, Prince of Piedmont";
haaas anyone seeen a pic of him? i want to upload it to wikipedia lol


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Re: Duke Philippe d'Orléans (brother of Louis XIV), and his family
« Reply #94 on: October 07, 2009, 07:25:16 PM »
i wish i could have met her =[ ..she helped her husband mistress Jeanne Baptiste d'Albert de Luynes recover from suspected poisoning..now that is nice considering the circumstance lol
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Re: Duke Philippe d'Orléans (brother of Louis XIV), and his family
« Reply #95 on: October 31, 2009, 10:24:52 AM »
does anyone know when and where she was baptised; alsoo her relationship with her children; i hear she spoke to her eldest, Marie Adélaïde, later Dauphine of France; what about the Queen of Spain, Prince of Piedmont and the future King Charles Emmanuel III??
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« Reply #96 on: November 12, 2009, 07:56:45 AM »
She was baptized the 8 april 1670 in the chapel of the Palais-Royal, in Paris (the parisian residence of the Orléans), by Louis de la Vergne de Tressan, bishop of Vabres, later bishop of Le Mans, first chaplain of Monsieur.

Her godfather and godmother were his first cousin the "Grand Dauphin" (Louis XIV's son) and the first cousin of her father, the "Grande Mademoiselle".

She had very closed relationships with all her children, who all absolutely adored their mother.

For example, the Queen of Spain wrote to her mother from Madrid, 29 march 1703, this words : "Quels moyens y a-t-il de vous connaître sans vous aimer à la folie, pour moi du moins je ne le comprends pas!" ("How would it be possible to know you without loving you madly, that's what I could'nt understand!"

And, because the Queen of Spain wrote more often to Anne-Marie than the duchess of Burgondy did, Marie-Adélaïde wrote : "J'envie la facilité que la reine d'Espagne a pour écrire, mais je vous assure que je ne lui cède en rien dans les sentiments de mon coeur..." ("I envy the fluency of the Queen of Spain for writing, but I swear that I'm not defeated by her, concerning the feelings of my heart...")

A portrait made in Paris at the time of her betrothal :


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Re: Duke Philippe d'Orléans (brother of Louis XIV), and his family
« Reply #97 on: November 12, 2009, 01:30:08 PM »
Incidentally, when her first cousin Anne Stuart, Queen of Great Britain (1665-1714) died, she left instructions that all her jewels were to be given to Anne-Marie, her closest surviving female relative. Perhaps Anne had fond memories of her - as a child, she'd suffered from terrible eyesight and had been sent to France in the hope of treatment there being better. After the death of her grandmother, Queen Henrietta Maria, Anne was moved to the household of her aunt, the Duchesse d'Orleans, and thus spent some time in the nursery with her cousins Marie-Louise and Anne-Marie. George I, Anne's successor, didn't honour her wish.
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« Reply #98 on: November 12, 2009, 02:17:03 PM »
Very interesting posts!! Thanks for the information!! Beautiful portrait ;-)

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« Reply #99 on: November 12, 2009, 03:07:58 PM »
She was baptized the 8 april 1670 in the chapel of the Palais-Royal, in Paris (the parisian residence of the Orléans), by Louis de la Vergne de Tressan, bishop of Vabres, later bishop of Le Mans, first chaplain of Monsieur.

Her godfather and godmother were his first cousin the "Grand Dauphin" (Louis XIV's son) and the first cousin of her father, the "Grande Mademoiselle".

She had very closed relationships with all her children, who all absolutely adored their mother.

For example, the Queen of Spain wrote to her mother from Madrid, 29 march 1703, this words : "Quels moyens y a-t-il de vous connaître sans vous aimer à la folie, pour moi du moins je ne le comprends pas!" ("How would it be possible to know you without loving you madly, that's what I could'nt understand!"

And, because the Queen of Spain wrote more often to Anne-Marie than the duchess of Burgondy did, Marie-Adélaïde wrote : "J'envie la facilité que la reine d'Espagne a pour écrire, mais je vous assure que je ne lui cède en rien dans les sentiments de mon coeur..." ("I envy the fluency of the Queen of Spain for writing, but I swear that I'm not defeated by her, concerning the feelings of my heart...")

A portrait made in Paris at the time of her betrothal :



i see =] i did not realise she had such a good relationship with the daughters..Anne Marie, like most women of the time is simply seen as the mother of the the King of this and the grandmother of that - its a shame..

does anyone know the painter of this charming portrait? i know that she was good looking but her older sister Marie Louise d'Orléans (wife of the foul Charles II of Spain) was the best loooking of all and Élisabeth Charlotte [half sister] was the least unattractive..but back to the point hah who painted it?!

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Re: Duke Philippe d'Orléans (brother of Louis XIV), and his family
« Reply #100 on: November 13, 2009, 05:12:43 AM »
Maybe she had so good relationships with her daughters because herself was not loved at all by her own mother, when she was a child. Henriette of England had already a daughter and wanted a son, so, when she gave birth to Anne-Marie, she asked immediately : "It's a boy?" "No it's a girl", they said. She was furious and answered : "A girl! You can throw her into the river!"

This portrait is by Ferdinand Elle and was sent from Paris in Torino before the wedding, it was the official presentation portrait!
But Anne-Marie's father was not really content of this portrait, because he said that her daugther was more beautiful. He said to the ambassador of Savoy that he would send another portrait, by Mignard, a little later. This one was just "for the meantime".
It's today in Torino, but in a "private collection" (unfortunately).

Yes, like duchesse de Chartres, I think the more beautiful of the sisters were Marie-Louise, she was not "pretty" but so distinguinshed (I must say I don't find the exact word in english, in french the word is "racé", that means we can see on her face that she's got very illustrous birth, full-blood).

But Anne-Marie was nice too.

By the way it's funny to see how Marie-Louise and Anne-Marie had the face of their father, with just a little something of their mother. The sisters were very "mediterranean", because the duke AND the duchess of Orléans were from Medici descent.

For their half-sister Elisabeth-Charlotte, I always found her portraits were charming, I don't find her bad at all. But it's true that her mother wrote : "She has pretty much the same appearance as the Queen of Spain (Marie-Louise), if you remember ; but she's not like her at all concerning the face. She's got a beautiful skin, but all her features are ugly : a ugly nose, a big mouth, drawn eyes and a plat face..."

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« Reply #101 on: November 13, 2009, 06:38:25 AM »
Another description of Anne Marie d'Orleans:


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Anna could not compare with her sister either in beauty or sparkling flashes of wit that scintillated through the brilliant repartee of Marie Louise. As regards her appearance, the following is the portrait of Anna at about the age of fifteen by Madame de Farverges: Anna of Orleans was tall and of the type of beauty to be found in the House of Bourbon. Her face was oval she had a high forehead, eyes well placed, aquiline nose, smiling lips, and an air of dignity tempered by an expression of great goodness.
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also "the extreme gentleness and goodness of Princess Anna were her salient features."
p. 138 from the romance of Savoy, Victor Amadeus

p. 155 contains letter in Anne Marie's own handwriting

http://www.archive.org/stream/romancesavoyvic00unkngoog#page/n184/mode/2up






http://www.archive.org/stream/romancesavoyvic00unkngoog#page/n166/mode/2up

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« Reply #102 on: November 16, 2009, 01:48:43 PM »
Another description of Anne Marie d'Orleans:


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Anna could not compare with her sister either in beauty or sparkling flashes of wit that scintillated through the brilliant repartee of Marie Louise. As regards her appearance, the following is the portrait of Anna at about the age of fifteen by Madame de Farverges: Anna of Orleans was tall and of the type of beauty to be found in the House of Bourbon. Her face was oval she had a high forehead, eyes well placed, aquiline nose, smiling lips, and an air of dignity tempered by an expression of great goodness.
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also "the extreme gentleness and goodness of Princess Anna were her salient features."
p. 138 from the romance of Savoy, Victor Amadeus

p. 155 contains letter in Anne Marie's own handwriting

http://www.archive.org/stream/romancesavoyvic00unkngoog#page/n184/mode/2up






http://www.archive.org/stream/romancesavoyvic00unkngoog#page/n166/mode/2up

Monsieur/Madame Mari, thank you for the link to the first years of Anne Marie's marriage;  it goes into much detail on the etiquette [Monsieur Bourgogne would be quite impressed ;) lol] of her marriage ceremony and her arrival to Savoy etc..
sadlyy is does not go into her later life =[ do you know why this is?

i defiantly recommend this for people lol =] the book also has a portrait of Anne Marie in her later life...

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« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2009, 02:03:55 PM »


LOL! Just to clarify, this portrait is of Élisabeth Charlotte d'Orléans, future Duchess of Lorraine and paternal grandmother of Marie Antoinette and Maria Carolina, Queen of Naples.

I have often thought that Élisabeth Charlotte looked like her mother, she was much more plain then her older half sisters Marie Louise (1662-1689) and Anne Marie (1669-1728). As of now, i do not know who the painter is..does anyone else know [even though this thread is old =[ ..... ]
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Re: Duke Philippe d'Orléans (brother of Louis XIV), and his family
« Reply #104 on: November 17, 2009, 07:04:16 AM »
It's by that well-known artist, 'anonyme' according to Base Joconde.