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Offline dianoshka

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Royal matches for OTMA
« on: August 10, 2005, 08:18:51 PM »
Olga was 22 when she was killed. We all know that.

The possible match between her and Prince Carol of Romania didn't go through. That was in 1914. She was 19.

I've been wondering something. When were the grand duchesses expected to stop living with their parents? When they got married? When they wanted to?

If anyone knows anything relating to the matter, I'd highly appreciate it if you could post it.
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2005, 09:16:20 PM »
I think that most left their parents when they married, since it wasn't really proper for them to live on their own without a male escort. In earlier times, the youngest girl might stay with her mother for the rest of her life to attend to her "needs", but I don't know how popular this idea remained by OTMA's youth. I imagine that the majority left their parents upon marriage.

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2005, 05:07:46 PM »
Without the War intervening, Olga could well have been in a position to get married sometime between 1914 and 1918. The war put a halt to so much that was taken for granted and normal, and she was so busy nursing, and her mother too busy with her own worries and work, no one probably had much time to give marriage a thought. They proabbaly thought when the war is finished would be an appropriate time to start looking.

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2005, 06:16:11 PM »
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Without the War intervening, Olga could well have been in a position to get married sometime between 1914 and 1918. The war put a halt to so much that was taken for granted and normal, and she was so busy nursing, and her mother too busy with her own worries and work, no one probably had much time to give marriage a thought. They proabbaly thought when the war is finished would be an appropriate time to start looking.


i agree. if olga did marry i think she would marry a soldger.

if the war hadn't started i'm shure she would have looked a bit harder. and would she become a nurse if the war hadn't started?
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2005, 06:44:55 PM »
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i agree. if olga did marry i think she would marry a soldger.

if the war hadn't started i'm shure she would have looked a bit harder. and would she become a nurse if the war hadn't started?


Olga couldn't marry a soldier unless she wanted him to not be accepted into her family and for her to renounce her name. As in the cases of Olga Alexandrovna and Michael Alexandrovich, marrying commoners didn't work out too well. Both their spouses were generally rejected for their non-royal blood.

Well, what use would there be for a nurse if there wasn't a war?
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2005, 02:17:46 PM »
I have always been horrified about the fact that in the 1800 century young princesses were in their teens when they got married and started to give birth to their children. And what I have understood teens were more naiive and physically longer like children as nowadays. So they were pulled out of kindergarden and pushed to the marital bed.
Quite disturbing.
Attitudes changed, In OTMAs case and in the 20th century things were quite different, their parents wanted them to stay with them as long as it was possible. And live their childhood and youth as children and youngsters.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2005, 02:22:02 PM »
At the war`s time, at least 2 people ask Alexandra Feodorovna about the possibility of marrying Olga. First Boris Vladimirovich, as we know from the later of the Empress to her husband. She explained the reasons she did not wanted that marriage. Second, prince Constantin Constantinovich (one of the son of KR, killed in Alapaevsk). But I have no details about this case, do not know the reasons of refuse. Does anyone know something?

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2005, 02:25:39 PM »
I never heard about Prince Konstantin Konstantinovich wanting to marry Olga N!   Where did you read this, matushka?

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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2005, 03:08:42 PM »
From the diary of Valentina Ivanovna, mostly.

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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2005, 02:55:00 PM »
In fact, I do not know is that just a rumor or not.  Chebotareva relate a lot of rumors in her diary. About prince Konstantin and Olga, I read different entries. One citation in russian, as you can use a translator: "v lazarete Mavrikevna razotkrovenichilas, chto oseniu Konst. Konst. usilenno uhazhival. Olga emu seriozno nravilas, no cherez Narychkinu "nam dali poniat, shto on slichkom molod..."".
So, I am asking all of you, is there any serious information.
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2005, 01:58:57 AM »
If there is, it's most likely hidden away in an archive somewhere. If that kind of information was easily accessable, surely one of the many Romanov researchers/authors would have uncovered it by now.

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2009, 01:52:10 PM »
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i agree. if olga did marry i think she would marry a soldger.

if the war hadn't started i'm shure she would have looked a bit harder. and would she become a nurse if the war hadn't started?

Olga couldn't marry a soldier unless she wanted him to not be accepted into her family and for her to renounce her name. As in the cases of Olga Alexandrovna and Michael Alexandrovich, marrying commoners didn't work out too well. Both their spouses were generally rejected for their non-royal blood.

 Well, what use would there be for a nurse if there wasn't a war?

Okay, it's 3 1/2 years on since the OP, but -

Marrying a commoner, especially in Olga A's case worked out VERY well for her- she had a happy marriage that lasted over 40 years and she had the children she wanted.  Michael's marriage was happy too.  Surely being rejected for lack of royal blood is far less important then personal happiness in marriage?  Olga's first marriage was "equal", but she was miserable.  Michael's case was a little different, as he was heir for a time, close to the throne, and perhaps should have had more regard for duty, but in the end it didn't matter much.  And I'm sure neither one ever regretted their marriages.

You are right about the nursing- it was part of their war work and service to the country.  I don't think any of them had a calling to be nurse had there not been a war.  And in other circumstances it would have been frowned upon.
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2009, 04:18:48 PM »
I read Alexandra Fedorovna`s opinion on the possible future marriages of her daughters. It was in 1912 or 1913. She was talking to the minister of foreign affairs Sergey Sazonov (1910-1916), as far as I remember they were in Livadiya. In fact, Sazonov wrote about this conversation in his memories. AF said the following thing:" I1m dreaded to think about the times when we will have to part with our daugters. my cherished dream is that could stay in Russia after their marriage, but I have 4 daughters so it is impossible, in all probability. You know, marriages in royal houses are so difficult. I have first-hand experience in this field although I`ve never been in my daughters` position. As a daughter of the Grand Duke of Hesse, I was not subjected to a risk of a dynastic marriage....hence, my duty is to give my daughters the right to marry people for whom they have feelings. The Tzar`s task is to decide if this marriage is appropriate for his daughters. Parents shouldn`t do anything beyond this...God granted me such great family happiness that I didn`t dare to  dream of". 

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2009, 05:08:42 PM »
Thanks for this violetta! Are those memoirs available on the AP site?
It's nice to hear from Alix that it's not necessary for her daughters to marry noble ones. She solely wants them to marry for love.
She really knows how and what her children would feel whenever she and Nicky announces each daughter must marry a royalty.

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