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Reply #15
« on: February 28, 2009, 04:33:55 PM »
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It's possible the girls could have married anyone they wanted, as Michael and Olga A. did. However, without Nicholas's permission, they probably would have been shunned by the family and court.

And a little request, too. Could we put better titles on the threads? Instead of just "Question" it could be "Olga's marriage thoughts" or something. It really helps with searching for threads. Smiley
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Reply #16
« on: February 28, 2009, 05:13:33 PM »
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As for Sazonov`s mempries,they `re not available on AP site. The ones that I found at University Library in Lodz(Poland) were published at the end of the 1920-s in Berlin in Russian but they were also translated into English.I`ll check the title. These memories deal primarily with the years preceding WWI and deveopments during WWI altough it contains some info on the Imperial Family.
Secondly, I do not think that AF was able to accept any candidate for the heart and hand of their daughters e.g. neither AF nor Mariya Fedorovna agreed to see countess Brassova, Misha`s son. I think she would have been able to accept someone from their circle. Tatyana Konstantinovna married a Georgian aristocrat (I forrgot his name), she had to renounce her right to the throne (though she was remote from the throne). maybe AF was thinking about a possible option.
Thirdly, as we know Olga and Carol of Romania did not take to each other but the 2 families decided that the Romanian family would come to Livadiya in august or september , and young people would get to know each other more but on 01.08.1914 the war began. in 1916 the 2 families resumed their talks on the possible union between the 2 houses, but it this case they were taking ab. Mariya because Carol did like her more than Olga. they started to discuss a possibility of this union but the 2nd half of 1916 was marked by politica struggle, unrest etc. so the marriage issue was not the most important
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« on: February 28, 2009, 05:18:45 PM »
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Olga got chance to marry in April of 1916, too, to King (Then Prince, regent) Alexander of Serbia.
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« on: February 28, 2009, 05:32:14 PM »
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could you please tell why this marriage did not come though. why  did not she marry him? was it a love match or a dynastic one? who came up with this proposal? if these two had married olga would have survived. could you give some details on the engagement? more details in general?
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« on: February 28, 2009, 05:40:38 PM »
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Serbian goverment and delegation on head with Nikola Pashic visited NII in April of 1916.  Had conversation with Emperor, and I doubt Olga knew for that converstaion. Even if she knew, she was quite, possible, or Nicholas didn't tell to her. Or even Pashich planned to give proposition, but I read his lines about that, that it would be nice if Olga became Serbian Queen. Also, Helena (Alexander's sister) was married to Ioann Konstantinovich, and called for Alexander to visit Russia, while Olga was nurse in hospital. Rest are rumors....

More later....
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Reply #20
« on: February 28, 2009, 11:01:34 PM »
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I think I may have also heard something about a marriage proposal between Olga and Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia, and also with Prince Christopher of Greece. I do not know too much about it. Could anyone else shed some more light on it?
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Reply #21
« on: February 28, 2009, 11:31:54 PM »
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This where discussed before on the Suitors thread here. I saw one photo of an article there that Carol and Olga are engaged.
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« on: March 01, 2009, 01:41:58 AM »
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This where discussed before on the Suitors thread here. I saw one photo of an article there that Carol and Olga are engaged.

Engaged? I thought after Olga visited Romania to meet Carol, their marriage was no longer considered to happen. Undecided Were they really engaged?
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Reply #23
« on: March 01, 2009, 02:48:50 AM »
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No. It was considered to be a good match by some, and Carol and Olga met each other. But it never grew into anything more than just something that was thought to be a royal match by others.
Here's the thread:
Olga's Possible Marriage to Carol of Romania


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« on: March 01, 2009, 07:50:59 AM »
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Yes. Gilliard's memories are detailed about that 1914 visit to Konstantsa/Romania.
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« on: March 01, 2009, 08:05:37 AM »
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here it is

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Reply #26
« on: March 01, 2009, 08:10:43 AM »
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Nice photo -- Romanian couple and Carol..and Olga N.
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Reply #27
« on: March 01, 2009, 08:16:01 AM »
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Oh, I'm still learning how to do that hyperlinking system. Yes it's a nice photo.
The question is why did the news jump to that topic although the conjecture was not true.
Carol Of Romania
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« on: March 01, 2009, 12:43:36 PM »
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I guess we jump from one topic to another, we sometimes ask and discuss questions discussed on other threads.yes, it`s truebut it`s like an ordinary conversation when we change topics, drop topics, talk about staff loosey or closely connected with the topic.you never know where your conversation is going to come...
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« on: March 02, 2009, 01:30:02 AM »
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Oh, that's not what I meant,violetta. Hihihihi.
I'm referring to the news of "presumed engagement" of Olga and Carol on this news article.
GaranduchessElla posted that on Olga's Suitors thread somewhere here.
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