Queen Marie Antoinette

And she told Campan about her father's death. She said that, about to get away, already in the coach, he called her and pressed her in his arms, desperately. She never saw him again...

Her mother is reported to have cried her name, too, just before she died.

Goethe saw and commented the tapestries you mention, dear Sissi. He wrote there were Jason, Medea and Creuse, thus, horrible examples of marriage.

Thank you coquelicot!!!! yes I remember that young Goethe was surprised and thought that it was very umproper to have them there, when the Dauphine and future bride was expected!!!!

  When Maria Theresa died she called out the name of all her children, when you say she cried out you mean she broke in tears is that it??

I didn`t know that but yes it is strange!!! Stephan Zweig mentions that the tapestry located in the reception pavillion when she was to be turned in  to the french, was regarded by many as a lack of tact and a bad omen could any of you guys refresh my memory and tell me what was the tapestry about!!!


    The fact tha she was born on November 2 was also regarded as a bad omen since she was born the day of the dead, and that day there was an earthquake in Lisboa and it destroyed almos the entire city! the Queen and king of portugal were her godparents.

The earthquake was on November 1 - still I suppose it was an amazing coincidence!

Really I have always thought that it was on the second since I have always known that people regarded it as a bad omen for MA.
  Do you know if it was planned for the king and queen of portugal to be her godparents, or that tragedy might have influence Marie Therese?

 

Also when she was signing her mariage contract she made a quite big ink stinch.

When Maria Theresa died she called out the name of all her children, when you say she cried out you mean she broke in tears is that it??

That's it, Sissi ! She called out the names of all her children and, come to Antoinette's, she cried. But she knew for long horrible things was going to happen to her daughter. She often wrote to Mercy "ma fille court à sa perte" (my daughter runs to ruin).

About this Saint Germain count, again... I'm not sure it's true, for I just read this on the net : he asked to meet Marie-Antoinette, told her about her future, we can imagine in a soft way... and is reported to have had a vision of Marie Stuart. Another tragically beheaded queen...  

Also when she was signing her mariage contract she made a quite big ink stinch

Indeed, she did ! You can see a pic of it in Fraser's book. Her signature is very childish, we see she wasn't familiar yet with writing. "J" in Josepha and Johanna are terrible ! So, at the end, she droped an ink flower...  

Less poetically, people considered it a bad omen too.

A small biography of the Count Saint Germain, I found ont the net!

(1690? - 1784?)

A mysterious figure whose dates of birth and death are in some dispute, with more esoteric students of history believing that he is somehow deathless. He may have been the son of Racoczi II, a ruler of Transylvania, which intimates even more interesting speculations about his immortality. A contemporary, Jean-Philippe Rameau, claimed to have met him in 1710 under a different name (as a Marquis) and said he seemed to be in his 40s, which would set his birth around 1670, and would mean that he was 114 years old at his putative death.

Saint-Germain became known in the 1750s as an associate of Louis XV and his mistress who spent soirees with the Comte engaged in esoteric, artistic and political conversation. He was also known as an alchemist and lapidary expert -- supposedly able to increase the size of gems and possessed of the age-old, much-ballyhooed secret of transmuting base metals into gold. All this makes him seem to us to be something of a confidence-trickster and master of illusion, which, to be frank, has always been a large part of "magic" in the public eye, and a part practiced expertly by every successful magus we know of -- including Edward Kelly, Cagliostro, Mathers, and of course Aleister Crowley.

Saint-Germain's closeness to the King naturally bought him the envy of other courtiers and ministers who ceaselessly plotted against him, and eventually he had to flee to England until the "heat" died down. (It was in England that he may have met a kindred spirit, Cagliostro, or the latter may have met him.) He was not to return to France for over a decade. From England, our Count went off to Russia and may have been involved in a conspiracy to place Catherine the Great on the throne.

He returned to France in 1774 to "smooze" with the yet-un-decapitated Louis XVI and his cake-loving mistress Marie Antoinette. He associated with the usual esoteric suspects and perhaps became engaged in revolutionary activity with them, or else spied on them on behalf of the King, or (most likely) played both sides of the gameboard, cashing in each way.

Saint-Germain eventually gained a reputation as an Adept based upon his innate knowledge and years of study and travel; thus he became known as a Rosicrucian in spirit if not in name, and readily associated with the Freemasons of Paris and elsewhere.

At the end of his life (?) Saint-Germain was living in Germany, again working at the court of a prince as a sort of in-house alchemist. It was here that he is believed to have died in 1784. Thus it is all the more unusual that he was reported present at a meeting of Parisian Freemasons in 1785, and reason is altogether strained to the breaking point to give any account to sightings of him in Vienna in 1821 (aged 130) and even later. Annie Besant claimed to have met him in 1896, perhaps in Vision, perhaps in some sort of eldritch, deathless flesh; and by this point, over two hundred years after his reputed birth, he was clearly a Master, either of the Ascended or some other variety.

In a french bio I just found, they say that he is supposed to have predicted the future of monarchy to Marie-Antoinette, but that this was allegued.

I love this topic you opened, dear Sissi ! Good idea !

Must got to work now, but I'll be back later !  

When the Grand Master of the Templars was burnt at the stake in 1314, his order having been destroyed by Philip the Fair, he is supposed to have cursed the dynasty of the Capetians. It was therefore supposed to be a fulfilment of the prophecy that the last prison of the Capet family was the headquarters of the Templars -the Temple.

This is very interesting, dear Bell the Cat ! Jacques de Molay, last Grand Maître of the templars, while burning on orders of king Philippe IV, is reported to have shouted : "cursed, all cursed till the 13th generation of yours !"

Maurice Druon wrote a fascinating saga about this legend. It's true that king Philippe died this same year, and his sons, Louis, Philippe and Charles had very brief reigns. Then came 100 years war between France and England... A real curse, indeed !

This has nothing to do with our Burbons-Habsburg sovereigns, of course... but I once read a thesis pretending this was related. Louis Capet went to Varennes, they said, and, precisely, this territory was related to templars ! So, you have there a memory of this old curse against capetians ! Going to Varennes, they were lost in a templar bermuda triangle !

I guess that, a posteriori, it's easy to find good reasons...

Nostradamus also predicted the fall of the Bourbon and the revolution, (he also predicted the end of the Valois dinasty and the Bourbon rise to power).I will try to find a passage related to the Revolution adn the royal couple.
 

A couple of years ago I read that the Tuileries was names after a factury of "Tuiles" the owner was suposely killed by Catherine of Medicis who built afterwards the castle however it was said to be haunted. And supposely the "ghost" (I do not like the word but I don`t know how to call it) came out at particurlarly grave moment in the history of France.
 I had completely forgot about that until I found this link which is pretty interesting since it deals with Paris and its mystery. Sorry but it is in French

http://www.maison-hantee.com/files/paris/paris1.htm

  Basically what it says is that after they kill " the red man" he appeared to various courtisans, to Marie Antoinette who according to the text told Madame Campan about it, the comte d artois while walking in the garden saw a red light coming out of a window, in the morning his brother the king Louis XVIII told him that he was "visited" by the "red man"! After that he became quite ill.
 He appeared also to Napoleon before Waterloo and we know the result of that battle!
 
 It reminds me of the "white lady" of the Hapsburg!

White lady of the Habsburgs ?   Please tell us more, dear Sissi !  

The White Lady appears during the most tragic events of the Hapsburg, I read that her first appearance is dated in 1588 in the Yuste Monastery (Spain) where Charles V was retired, she appeared to marie Louise "Napoleon`s wife) as a child in her mother`s room and when she asked who the lady was her mother told her "that she was here to take her", people said that they saw her in the hallways during the agony of the Duc de Reichtadt and supposely Rudolf coach driver saw her in the Mayerling park!