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King Harald and Queen Sonja
« on: August 17, 2005, 12:14:35 PM »
I've always tried to get a sense of Queen Sonja's background, but with very little success. I know that Norway is a small country and that Sonja grew up when the country was recovering from the war, but I also know that there is a band of old families and families that were titled until Norway did away with titles in the first decade of the 20th century. So there must have been something like a polite society. Would the Haraldsen's have been part of this?

I know that they owned some sort of clothing store, that Harald and Sonja met at a party held by the very rich Johan Sternerson, that Sonja's brother built the apartment building near the palace that her mother lived in, and that the NRF used to holiday at a ski home inherited from Sonja's family. Sonja grew up in Vinderen, which I've heard described as a rather quiet section of Oslo, though I don't know if it's a particularly fashionable or affluent area. There are some things that would indicate her background is quite cushy, and others that indicate it isn't particularly top-drawer. It's been reported that she worked in a pub in England while perfecting her English in her student days; and then the Ecole Professionelle des Jeunes Filles she attended in Lausanne doesn't exactly sound like a finishing school.

My sense is that she comes from a comfortably middle class background, and that it would have been possible for Harald to have taken a Norwegian bride from a more distinguished one. I wonder, for instance, if he would have had an easier time getting permission to marry a Wedel Jarlsberg? (None of this is to say that I think he SHOULD have taken a more upper class girl).

If anyone knows anything more about the Haraldsens, I would very much appreciate having it passed along. It's always been extremely difficult to learn more about them. Ditto the Ferner and Lorenzen families. It's easy to discover that the Hoiby and Behn families, on the other hand, were definitely pretty ordinary, run-of-the-mill working folk.


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Re: King Harald and Queen Sonja
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2005, 02:40:07 PM »
On a side note, Brian, I wouldn't call Norway a small country . . . small by comparison to some others, perhaps . . .
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2005, 05:39:02 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, the population's between 4 and 4.5 million. That's half the size of Sweden's; and smaller than those of most Western European countries by a good bit.  I don't recall the population size of your own lovely Ireland, where I lived for a very happy period in County Cork.

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2005, 09:50:18 PM »
According to a bio I read of Princess Ragnhild on "The Royals Forum", she and Erling Lorentzen moved to Rio so that he could start a branch of his family's "shipping empire". But the young couple was obliged to live in a 3-room apartment in the early years of the marriage before the Rio concern took off.

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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2005, 05:56:54 AM »
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If I'm not mistaken, the population's between 4 and 4.5 million. That's half the size of Sweden's; and smaller than those of most Western European countries by a good bit.  I don't recall the population size of your own lovely Ireland, where I lived for a very happy period in County Cork.


I was thinking in terms of area, rather than population. BTW, Ireland's population is about 5 million. 4 million down south, and 1 million in the North.
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Re: King Harald and Queen Sonja
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2005, 12:42:27 PM »
Hi Prince,
It didn't occur to me until later that you must have been referring to area.

A little more digging has revealed to me a little more of how Crown Prince Olav and CP Martha lived. It seems they were necessarily closer to their subjects than other royals of their generation since he grew up in Norway and she was raised by parents who weren't heirs to any throne and, thus, lived slightly less in the royal cocoon. Harald and his sisters went to school with other children in the States and after their return to Norway. In retrospect, of course they were all going to end up married to commoners.

But I'd still love to learn more about the Haraldsens...

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2005, 02:52:56 PM »
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If I'm not mistaken, the population's between 4 and 4.5 million. That's half the size of Sweden's; and smaller than those of most Western European countries by a good bit.  I don't recall the population size of your own lovely Ireland, where I lived for a very happy period in County Cork.


What is the population of Denmark?

For comparision, the seven county area of Greater Metropolitian Atlanta, Georgia, USA has a population of around 6.5 million people.  The four country area of Greater Metropolitian TampaBay, Florida, USA is around 2.5 million.

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Re: King Harald and Queen Sonja
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2005, 02:57:19 PM »
Tampa, Denmark's population is about 5.4 million.

BTW the US figures - that's more than the entire country of Ireland, north included!

Anywho, better get back to topic . . .
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Re: King Harald and Queen Sonja
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2005, 03:47:25 AM »
norway is a huge countrie not as big as sweden or finland which are among the biggest in europe.

theres a dirty joke that says sweden and finland together look like part of the male anatomy and norway looks like closly related to that! ;D

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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2005, 04:21:14 AM »
Norway is not a huge contrie.It is big in Europe but to call it huge is wrong..The only contrie i woud say is huge is Russia.
And by the way the population in Norway is
4.593.041 million

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Re: King Harald and Queen Sonja
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2005, 11:22:19 AM »
Does Queen Sonja have any noble ancestors?

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2005, 12:08:24 PM »
No she has not.

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Re: King Harald and Queen Sonja
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2005, 05:59:56 AM »
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Hi Prince,
It didn't occur to me until later that you must have been referring to area.

A little more digging has revealed to me a little more of how Crown Prince Olav and CP Martha lived. It seems they were necessarily closer to their subjects than other royals of their generation since he grew up in Norway and she was raised by parents who weren't heirs to any throne and, thus, lived slightly less in the royal cocoon. Harald and his sisters went to school with other children in the States and after their return to Norway. In retrospect, of course they were all going to end up married to commoners.

But I'd still love to learn more about the Haraldsens...


The Haraldsen family is keeping a low profile,so you will not learn much of that side,as you already discovered.

It was not just Olav and Martha being closer to the people,that started already by his parents King Haakon and
Queen Maud(much to the dismay of Mauds father,King Edward VII),They'd adopted an,in comparison to others in their time,fairly "easy going"style.

Just for a little more information on Her Majesty Queen Sonja of Norway,I add a link:

www.kongehuset.no/default.asp?lang=eng

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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2006, 11:27:45 AM »
http://www.seegerpress-online.de/seegerpress-cgi/topixx?op=preview&ID=1070728309&str...

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2006, 11:30:36 AM »
TM King Harald and Queen Sonja have arrived in Ireland today,for a 3 day State Visit.
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