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« Reply #120 on: December 02, 2008, 10:39:17 PM »
Use a translator like Babel Fish to translate and if you read French on a second grade level it will be simple to understand! It will translate whole pages and websites. So, you are only interested in the one Naundorff? Is that correct? The first link I gave mentions the different ones who claimed to be Louis XVII!

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« Reply #121 on: December 09, 2008, 11:51:44 AM »
I think that the accusations against the Queen and her friends (being lovers) was nothing more than gossip & vicious lies. There was nothing then or now to substantiate this nonsense. Stupid, sick minds make these things up. No more believable than the Queen sexually abusing her son.  Sexual charges are very hard for people to refute - unless they are so ridiculous, as the one's against Marie Antoinette are!

I agree.  From what I know of the period, there was a trend for women to enjoy extremely close, sentimental friendships with each other and gossiping courtiers and political agitators used this to suggest that there was a physical aspect to these relationships.

I think the reason Marie Antoinette was so partial to these sort of friendships was because she was trying to recreate the relationships she'd enjoyed with her family back in Vienna.  It seems that the family member she was closest to was her sister Caroline, and her two closest friends in France (the Princesse de Lamballe and the Duchesse de Polignac) were both a few years older than her, just as Caroline was.

As for the accusation of incest, that was just disgraceful and by appealing to all mothers at her trial Marie Antoinette showed it up for the ridiculous slander that it was.

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« Reply #122 on: January 02, 2009, 05:50:40 AM »
I'm really interested in all of them. Naundorff just stood out to me because everyone said he could describe his life in Versailles in "chilling detail" so I wanted to know all the specifics. I remember reading that someone said (as in a trick question) that he wore a small blue suit that she showed him to Paris and he corrected her, saying that he only wore it at Versailles ( i wonder if this is the same blue suit that Louis XVII wore in his most famous portrait?)
'A day may come when, sorrow o'er thus whispers hope, her son perchance may make that dear one blest once more, and thus avenge himself on France." - Lepitre's poem written for King Louis XVII

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« Reply #123 on: January 09, 2009, 02:16:50 AM »
On Naundorff what did you think of all the scars and hair description and eye color etc described in the first link I gave you which I repeat...  this just takes you into a different page and the page behind it is interesting also!

http://books.google.com/books?id=CqwfAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA105&dq=Karl+Wilhelm+Naundorff,&lr=#PRA1-PA112,M1

from The Story of Louis XVII of France by Elizabeth Edson Gibson Evans, John Boyd Thacher Collection (Library of Congress)

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« Reply #124 on: January 09, 2009, 04:03:08 PM »
 Hi Machina X11

 On the subject of Louis XV11 claimants, there is a thread -  Louis XV11 - did he die in the Tower posted last year,
 there is more information there on this topic.
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« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2010, 01:21:03 PM »




 Mme Campan





  Jeanne  Campan, born   1752, Paris  Died  1822,  ) was a French educator and lady-in-waiting to Queen Marie Antoinette before and during the French Revolution.
Her father, whose name was Genest, was first clerk in the foreign office, and, although without fortune, placed her high  in the most cultivated society.


 At the age of fifteen  Jeanne  could speak English and Italian, and had gained so high a reputation for her accomplishments  that she was  appointed reader to the three daughters of Louis XV.
At court she was a general favorite, and when she married  M. Campan, son of the secretary of the royal cabinet, the king gave her an annuity of 5000 livres as dowry.

 She was soon afterwards appointed first lady of the bedchamber by Marie Antoinette and she continued to be her faithful attendant until she was forcibly separated from her at the storming of the Tuileries on 10 August 1792.

Perhaps no one knew the life of  Marie Antoinette more intimately than Jeanne Campan,
she was there at her mistress side through all the  happy times at Versailles and
Queen Marie's private palace... the Petit Trianon.
     She was there too during the  times of  adversity as the  French Revolution began to dominate and threaten their lives and the Royal Family were confined within
the gloomy rooms of the Tuleries Palace  in the heart of  Paris.
All of which serves to make her book....  "Mémoires sur la vie privée de Marie Antoinette," such a
valuable  historical document.
 

Madame Campan survived the dangers of the Terror, but  found  herself almost penniless  and thrown on her own resources by the illness of her husband.
She bravely determined to support herself by establishing a school at St Germain.
The institution prospered, and was patronized by Hortense de Beauharnais, whose influence lead to the appointment of Madame Campan as superintendent of the academy founded by Napoleon at Écouen for the education of the daughters and sisters of members of the Legion of Honor.

This post she held until it was abolished at the restoration of the Bourbons, when she retired to Mantes, where she spent the rest of her life amid the kind attentions of affectionate friends, but saddened by the loss of her only son, and by the calumnies circulated on account of her connexion with the Bonapartes.

She died in 1822, leaving valuable "Mémoires sur la vie privée de Marie Antoinette,"  . The most noteworthy thing in her educational system, and that which especially recommended it to Napoleon, was the place given to domestic economy in the education of girls.
At Écouen the pupils underwent a complete training in all branches of housework.

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« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2010, 03:18:25 PM »
 

The first time I saw her Majesty after the unfortunate catastrophe of the 
Varennes journey, I found her getting out of bed; her features were not
very much altered; but after the first kind words she uttered to me she
took off her cap and desired me to observe the effect which grief had
produced upon her hair.
It had become, in one single night, as white as
that of a woman of seventy  !

 Her Majesty showed me a ring she had just had
mounted for the Princesse de Lamballe; it contained a lock of her whitened
hair, with the inscription, "Blanched by sorrow."
 At the period of the
acceptance of the constitution the Princess wished to return to France.
The Queen, who had no expectation that tranquillity would be restored,
opposed this; but the attachment of Madame de Lamballe to the royal family
impelled her to come and seek death.

When I returned to Paris most of the harsh precautions were abandoned; the
doors were not kept open; greater respect was paid to the sovereign; it
was known that the constitution soon to be completed would be accepted,
and a better order of things was hoped for.

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« Reply #127 on: October 23, 2010, 07:10:50 PM »
 get the full  memoirs in bite sized chunks
go here
http://hotfile.com/dl/77925770/18341d3/MME_CAMPAN_MEMOIRS.zip.html

then go get natural readers....  cut and paste those chunks
in.. then sit back... give your eyes a rest... and listen to Mme Campan

get  Natural  Reader
the  free version
go  here
http://www.naturalreaders.com/



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Re: Books on French Royals
« Reply #128 on: October 24, 2010, 05:46:26 AM »
I have read other Memoirs by Members of the Court but I personally like and find these Memoirs to be necessary reading. Historians still value these! Like anyone trusting from their own opinions and memory there may be a mistake or two but it would be that way if a current Journal were published two hundred years from now. Thank you for bringing these to the attention of those that have not read them.

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« Reply #129 on: October 30, 2010, 04:12:45 PM »
Have Mme. Campan's memiors been translated and published in English? They sound very interesting, I'd love to read them!
When I stand before God at the end of my life, I would hope that I would not have a single bit of talent left, and could say, "I used everything You gave me". --Erma Bombeck

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« Reply #130 on: October 30, 2010, 04:37:47 PM »
THE MEMOIRS  in  bite  sized bits
http://hotfile.com/dl/77925770/18341d3/MME_CAMPAN_MEMOIRS.zip.html

get  Natural  Reader
the  free version
go  here
http://www.naturalreaders.com/

cut and paste text in and let it read
it back to you.
Relax and give your eyes a rest !

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« Reply #131 on: October 30, 2010, 04:43:43 PM »
No, I meant in a book.
When I stand before God at the end of my life, I would hope that I would not have a single bit of talent left, and could say, "I used everything You gave me". --Erma Bombeck

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« Reply #132 on: November 01, 2010, 10:37:46 AM »
The english translation of 'Memoirs of the Court of Marie Antoinette, Queen of France' by Madame de Campan was produced in 1900 and various recent editions are currently available from Amazon, e.g. the Dodo press edition, and there's a Nabu press edition; you can also get secondhand editions via Abebooks, for example, reasonably cheaply both in the UK or the US. 

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« Reply #133 on: November 01, 2010, 02:48:23 PM »
Thank you!  :)
When I stand before God at the end of my life, I would hope that I would not have a single bit of talent left, and could say, "I used everything You gave me". --Erma Bombeck

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« Reply #134 on: February 08, 2011, 03:57:30 PM »
Anyone know any good books on the French aristocracy. Including things like debutantes, social season , ettiquette etc . All the ones I can find seem only ever find are only in French X