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Offline Silja

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Re: Books on French Royals
« Reply #90 on: April 24, 2008, 03:46:05 PM »
Please tell me about the "Blood Sisters" book.  Who is it about?  Who wrote it?  I am always interested in new sources of information!

Just want to say that this is great to be able to learn from you all - Thanks!

Marilyn Yalom, Blood Sisters. The French Revolution in Women's Memory, 1993. Very valuable book, which quotes from women's French Revolutionary memoirs. Among them are the memories of the Duchesse de Tourzel, Rosalie Larmoliere, Madame Roland, Charlotte Robespierre, Madame de Stael.

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« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2008, 04:14:41 PM »
Thank You!  I just ordered this book online for $!.99 - any other good books that can be recommended are always appreciated.  I have read tons, but there is so much out there.  I am sure that this will be a good read, I'll post a new topic when I have finished it - so let's talk about it!

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« Reply #92 on: April 26, 2008, 03:28:54 AM »
Good idea...just getting back to this thread. Sorry that I didn't include the Author;s name with the post.  :) 

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« Reply #93 on: June 11, 2008, 04:31:22 PM »
I have been done with this book for awhile, so sorry so late. It is interesting and I did learn a few new things. The author spends the book focusing on Marie Therese and it does cover her life, even though it may not answer things like why the marriage with her cousin worked. But, I got the impression it was like many royal marriages founded on dynastic reasons, likely more like a very close friendship than a real romance- the marriage  did work of course, perhaps surprisngly, and likely it was based on their family and shared background and that become more, as they did truly love each other.It is a bit distracting that the author spends the book focusing on not on on the real Marie Therese, but also on rumors that have little foundation that Marie Therese might have been someone else other than the Marie Therese in front of Europe who really, no one questioned. But the author gives you the idea for some of the book that the story of an obscure noblewoman in Germany could have been the real Marie Therese, etc, or at least constantly focusing on that saga is a bit distracting.Still, at least a biography of Marie Therese was published, it was about time.
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Re: Books on French Royals
« Reply #94 on: August 26, 2008, 08:25:53 PM »
Hi, I'm new here-

I just finished this book. I was disappointed as I found several inaccuracies in the book. Some of her information just seemed too unbelievable and her sources did not adequately explain to me where she came up with her ideas. I found some truth weaved in with some untruth. I am glad that this is not my first reading of this subject because if it had been, I would have been somewhat misled.

This would probably be somewhat more informative:
"The Ruin of a Princess" as told by the Duchesse d'Angouleme, Madame Elizabeth (sister of King Louis XVI), and Clery (the King's Valet de Chambre)
Translated by Katherine Prescott Wormeley (1912) New York, Lamb Publishing Co.

Thank You

I agree,i noticed the inaccuracies as well and am very disappointed! she made very stupid mistakes, madame du barry was stated to be 2 years older than Marie Antoinette. Madame Du Barry was born in 1743 and Marie Antoinette was born 1755. You do the math. as a historian i would think she'd know better. Also she says that duchesse de polianc and king louis xvi had an affair as it was a mere fact when it was just a rumor and no proof of their affair exists.

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« Reply #95 on: August 26, 2008, 10:21:37 PM »
i have just read 20 pages and found a few inaccuracies  the author first says that king louis xvi had an affair with duchesse de polianac. everybody knows there is no proof of this. then she says madame du barry is only 2 years older than marie antoinette. i read madame du barry's biography and marie antoinette's and i goggled and there is more than 2 years more like 13 years! thats a huge mistake!!  THEN she goes on says that the kings brothers, comte de Provence and comte d'Artois 's wives were very ugly but i looked at there photos and are FAR from ugly.

here are the photos of the wives, judge for yourself http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/LuiseMariaGuiseppavonSavoyen.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/MarieTheresedeSavoie.jpg

how could this book be published? i'm only on page 20. and find too many faults. this is so disappointing.

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« Reply #96 on: August 27, 2008, 05:24:52 AM »
Gossip at the time suggested that the Duchess was the Queen's lover . I have never read that the King had any lovers ....except his Queen

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« Reply #97 on: August 28, 2008, 01:36:32 AM »
Actually the Wives of the Comte de Provence and the Comte d' Artois were described as ugly. Although I agree with you the images are not! Perhaps the paintings flattered them. That would not be unusual. 

Click the link and this will take you to a description of both Women.

http://books.google.com/books?id=HSAs8nAOyJIC&pg=PA20&dq=Marie+Josephe+de+Savoie+1771&ei=MEW2SJnKDIGCywSU8p31Bg&sig=ACfU3U2Qm6M6WabSgD-BD3jTp95KK6-poA#PPA20,M1

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« Reply #98 on: August 28, 2008, 01:59:32 AM »
While looking for further examples of personality or looks of the Sister-in-laws of Louis XVI I came across a very amusing exchange of words between the Countess de Provence  and her Sister- in- law Marie Antoinette! It appears She could be very untactful!

http://books.google.com/books?id=Qz8No1fkV58C&pg=PA188&dq=countess+de+provence&ei=WEK2SKLzG5LkywT-0KmsCQ#PPA188,M1

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« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2008, 04:08:34 AM »
Another description of the Comtesse de Provence:
The Comtesse de Provence was admired for her intelligence and wit (qualities she shared with her bookish husband), but she was no beauty, and Vigée Le Brun must have employed considerable genius to render her sitter with the grace and physical charm evident in the portrait while still making it recognizable as Marie Josephine. Short and dark, with a dusky complexion, long face, large nose, and bushy eyebrows, the Comtesse de Provence was, as Madame du Barry bluntly remarked, "ugly and she smelled." Her reluctance to wash, wear perfume or have her eyebrows plucked was regarded with such concern that two years into her marriage , her father, the King of Sardinia, wrote to her imploring that she try to please her husband and pay attention to her toilette (26 February 1773). Her lack of hygiene, in addition to her inability to bear children, finally drove Provence to abandon the marriage bed; by 1781 he was openly living at the Petit Luxembourg Palace, and her relationship with her husband sank - in the words of Philip Mansel, Louis XVIII's most recent biographer - to a level of "fairly amiable mutual endurance."

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« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2008, 04:45:39 PM »
What I found most surprising in this book ( like the first poster) is that it says Louis XVI had a mistress, and it talks about his illegitimate daughter (supposedly). Has this ever been put in any other book? I'd read alot, and never came across it.From what I know, it was just a romour. The author shouldn't talk about like it is fact. We don't even know if he ever had a mistress, much less a illegitimate daughter. He wouldn't seem to be the type. It has Been a few months since I read the book, and I don't have it in front of me, but was the Duchesse de Polignac mentioned in the book as being the mother is his supposed illegitimate daughter or was that somebody else? Either way, I don't think it was true. Gorgeusbutterfly, wgat did you think about (if you have read that far) how the author talks about the mysterious woman in Germany who rumor had it could have been the real Marie Therese, after she left France for Austria ( before she got married)? The author gives a lot of credit to rumor.But, the wives of Louis XVI's brothers WERE said to be ugly, repulsive etc.Every book says that.Potraits likely flattered them.
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« Reply #101 on: August 29, 2008, 11:39:07 PM »
what is the exact Title and Author for this book Please?

I'd like to see what the reviews say and also what category this Book is in. Are there any Sources listed of Primary Documents? Particularly for the Louis Story of an illegitimate Child? I'd like to look at them if there are. :)

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« Reply #102 on: August 30, 2008, 12:07:00 AM »
What I found most surprising in this book ( like the first poster) is that it says Louis XVI had a mistress, and it talks about his illegitimate daughter (supposedly). Has this ever been put in any other book? I'd read alot, and never came across it.From what I know, it was just a romour. The author shouldn't talk about like it is fact. We don't even know if he ever had a mistress, much less a illegitimate daughter. He wouldn't seem to be the type. It has Been a few months since I read the book, and I don't have it in front of me, but was the Duchesse de Polignac mentioned in the book as being the mother is his supposed illegitimate daughter or was that somebody else? Either way, I don't think it was true. Gorgeusbutterfly, wgat did you think about (if you have read that far) how the author talks about the mysterious woman in Germany who rumor had it could have been the real Marie Therese, after she left France for Austria ( before she got married)? The author gives a lot of credit to rumor.But, the wives of Louis XVI's brothers WERE said to be ugly, repulsive etc.Every book says that.Potraits likely flattered them.

i have read in other books that the king did like poliganac a lot. and that he was her favorite of his wives friends. i also read that they met together but never have i read that she was his mistress.  i think whatever child he had that was illegatmate was not poliganac's from what i remember reading in the book.   and as far as the woman who was supposably switched with marie therese, well i haven't gotten there yet. i will let you know when i finish the book :)

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« Reply #103 on: August 30, 2008, 12:09:54 AM »
what is the exact Title and Author for this book Please?

I'd like to see what the reviews say and also what category this Book is in. Are there any Sources listed of Primary Documents? Particularly for the Louis Story of an illegitimate Child? I'd like to look at them if there are. :)

marie therese:child of terror. the fate of marie antoinette's daughter by susan nagel.

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« Reply #104 on: August 30, 2008, 12:12:13 AM »
there are a lot of sources written in the end of the book but who knows which sources she used to make these conclusions?  maybe we can write to her. i have been thinking about that for a while. i want to ask her why she didn't do enough research on madame du barry when she is clearly much older than marie antoinette. yet she says she is only 2 years older! its a mistake and she should know about it.