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Offline Dominic_Albanese

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You've got to see to believe
« on: August 21, 2005, 08:37:41 PM »
FA - I hope you'll leave this up for a bit, I think it is a real treat...

Anyone with $65,000 they don't know what to do with??

Check it out...

http://www.romanovrussia.com/MFfan.html

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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2005, 08:56:07 PM »
Dear Dominic,

I think the antique dealers have overlooked something most important in their description, they described the two toned gold decorations on the handle of the fan below the cypher as 'art nouveau decoration', to me theyse decorations look like stylised caligraphy in Arabic or Persian script. Your thoughts on this?

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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2005, 08:58:59 PM »
I agree it does look more arabic to me.  What I wish they also said was how they acquired it.  
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2005, 09:11:35 PM »
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I agree it does more arabic to me.  What I wish they also said was how they acquired it.  


Dominic,

That would be breaking the First Commandment of dealing in Russian Art and Antiques! Quite honestly, unless it was brought overseas in 1917-1920 by the original owner, it was stolen some time in its existence. Maybe stolen by a peasant on a looting spree, confiscated from the peasent by the Communists, nationalised by the Bolsheviks from the original owner, sold for hard currency by Lenin or Stalin, or stolen by a dead broke curator and sold to a Russian collector, who then sent it to Switzerland for resale.

Do not ask where it came from, simply that it is in your hands .....for the moment!

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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2005, 09:15:47 PM »
If only it were in my hands.  Before I leave this world I would like to own something closely related to the Romanov's.  A letter, decree or dish, glass etc.  Of course I'll need to make allot more money than I do now. :P

Good to see you back on and posting David.

best,
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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2005, 09:48:57 PM »
 :o :o :o
Damn, now where did I put that $65,000?

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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2005, 09:59:44 PM »
Dominic
That is absolutely beautiful. Thank you for posting it. I enjoy just looking at it. That's probably as close as I'll ever get though.
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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2005, 02:32:24 PM »
The fan is nice and probably worth the price, but Empress Maria might have never touched it. As honestly stated in the description, it was a gift from the Ministry of Transport (or, let me add, one of its numerous units and establishments using the same emblem). The imperial family routinely received thousands of such gifts, and very few were accepted for actual use.

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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2005, 05:27:06 PM »
The three Art Nouveau traceries are not Arabic script. To me it looks like each has a letter hidden in the middle: P or D, Z, and a backwards 3 (Russian Z). The two tones used in the tracery makes me think you were supposed to perceive the letters.

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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2006, 05:48:05 PM »
Wow. It's in fabulous condition for how old it is. And someone's just selling it online for 65 grand? If only I had robbed a bank last week...

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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2006, 12:19:16 AM »
Something like that really belongs in a museum, I think.
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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2006, 05:35:47 PM »
That site, romanovrussia.com, has some of the most beautiful and well preserved romanov artifacts I have ever seen.

I found it several years ago and go to it to drool every now and then.

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2006, 06:29:24 PM »
It needs to be brought back to Russia and placed in a secured museum.

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Re: You've got to see to believe
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2006, 04:54:00 AM »
That is an interesting site.... they were selling some stolen items from my family too. We were actually going to buy the items back but they had already been sold to anther party.  I guess it is ok to do that after 80 years.  :-\  but it makes me sick. No one cares about what's right anymore.

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2006, 01:17:05 PM »
Jacqueline,

I know what you feel, and am sadded you and your family have had to endure that kind of pain. My own sister and her son stole my parent's estate, etc. without conscience. They were supposed to be loving 'family' members. It has sickened my husband, my daughter to know that loved ones can be, and are, so twisted, selfish, and without feelings whatsoever. These kind of thieves have no accountability to anyone. If they have done this to family, think of what they do to the public, etc. Who can give their trust to these kind of people?

Your family have of course indeed run into rouges who don't even know what the word 'doing what is right' means. At least you have the considerable understanding to know, it was not loved ones who were out for money, etc.

But 80 years later, or that the crime has been commited just a half hour ago, it never takes away from the pain of knowing there are unscruplous thieves everywhere.

It's good you can share your thoughts, and your sorrow here. There are people here who understand, and feel your issues.

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