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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2005, 04:58:11 AM »
Archduchess Maria Annunziata was engaged for a brief time to Siegfried, son of Duke Mapperl in Bavaria, but she broke off the engagement. I have a pic of them together somewhere, need to dig it out.

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2005, 06:57:17 AM »
The engagement of Maria Annunziata and Duke Siegfried in Bavaria was in 1902. They spent a lot of time together during their childhood, because Siegfried and his younger brothers had a very close relationship to their uncle Duke Carl Theodor and his wife Marie José. Marie Therese, Maria Annunziata's mother, was Marie José's sister and visited Tegernsee and Possenhofen very often with her daughters.

After the engagement, Siegfried accompanied Miana, her sister Elisabeth (Liesl) and Archduchess Maria Theresia on a journey to England. In this time, Siegfried became strange. After they had returned to Vienna, Miana asked her uncle Emperor Franz Joseph for permission to break off.

Siegfried took part in horse racings. In 1899 he fell off a horse and was hurt badly. Marie Redwitz, a lady in waiting of Carl Theodor's daughters, wrote that this was the cause of his strange behaviour. In 1908 he was incapacitated and brought to a mental home in Nuefriedenheim. But later he was able to live in his house in Schwabing. He died unmarried on 12th March 1952 - two days after his 76. birthday.

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2005, 05:57:01 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2006, 04:33:00 PM »
I'm looking fot pics of the first wife of Archduke Carl Ludwig of Austria, Princess Margarethe ( 1840-1858 ), daughter of King Johann I. of Saxony.

She died after just 2 years of marriage.
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2006, 04:14:11 AM »
I definetely saw her image on some of threads here in "the Hohenzollern" Forum. I wish I knew where exactly...

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2006, 06:39:54 AM »


I have read that unlike Empress Elisabeth Margarethe was very fond and got on very well with her sister-in-law Princess Charlotte of Belgium, wife of Archduke Max. She died of typhus in1858 in Milano where her husband and her had been visiting Max and Charlotte. I wonder what Empress Elisabeth thought about Margarethe and whether Archduchess Sophie was fond of this niece of her's - does anyone know if she openly favoured her in contrast to Elisabeth as she did with Charlotte ?
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2006, 12:46:40 PM »
What kind of relation did M. Theresia´s daughters have with their father? I have heared he didn´t always threat their mother in a good way.

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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2006, 03:22:42 AM »
Dear Anabel,

Carl Ludwig seemed to be a good husband for his first two wives Margarethe, Princess of Saxony (1840-1858) and Maria Annunziata of Two-Sicilies (1843-1871).
After Margarethe's early death he was devastated.
I am very interested in Maria Annunziata and I found out, that Carl Ludwig submited to his wife's strong and determinative character. It was for example Maria Annunziata who had the power to decide where the family lived - she didn't like Graz, so they moved to Vienna.
Karl Ludwig's character changed during his third marriage to Marie Therese. He became very jelous and Marie Therese had to suffer a  lot from this. There is a story that he even whipped her a few days before his death.

Besides that, he was a warm and loving father. His children meant everything to him. There is also a diary which he had started some hours before Franz Ferdinand's birth in December 1863. In the following years he wrote down almost every move of his children.
He spent a lot of time with his grandson (Emperor) Karl I., too. So I think he really loved children.
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2006, 05:34:03 AM »
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I am very interested in Maria Annunziata and I found out, that Carl Ludwig submited to his wife's strong and determinative character. It was for example Maria Annunziata who had the power to decide where the family lived - she didn't like Graz, so they moved to Vienna.


Maria Annunziata was the driving force in the couple but I do know not why I have always found it strange to think of her as such. Maybe because she looks so sweet & submissive on pictures. Those Neapolitan sisters were definitely interesting women ! It is a pity so little is known about them, they are only briefly mentioned in bios about other people. I wish some historian would get as interested in them as I am.
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2006, 05:44:29 AM »
The website of Kaisergruft in Vienna say her tomb is  in Vienna but her heart is in Innsbruck (HofKapelle). But last year when I visited  the Hofkapelle ,the guide said it is not true. Her heart like of most of the Habsburgs is in Vienna  in the Herzgruft in Vienna.

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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2006, 12:39:31 PM »
@ Paola:

Are you sure? Did you ask the guide? I really think, he gave you the wrong information.

I have read several times that Margarethe's heart was brought to Innsbruck. The author of the very first biography of Archduke Carl Ludwig, Lindheim, also writes that her heart is in Innsbruck.

I have a list of all the members of the Imperial Family of Austria whose hearts can be found at the Herzgruft / St. Augustin in Vienna - Margarethe's name is not among them:

Empress Anna
Emperor Matthias
Emperor Ferdinand II.
King Ferdinand IV.
Archduke Leopold Wilhelm
Empress Margarita Teresa
Empress Eleonore
Kurfürstin Maria Antonia
Archduchess Maria Theresia
Archduchess Maria Josepha
Emperor Leopold I.
Emperor Joseph I.
Emperor Karl VI.
Archduchess Maria Elisabeth
Archduchess Maria Anna
daughter of Archduchess Maria Anna
Empress Elisabeth Christine
Archduke Karl Joseph
Archduchess Johanna Gabriele
Emperor Franz I. Stephan
Empress Maria Theresia
Archduchess Louise Elisabeth
Emperor Leopold II.
Empress Maria Ludovica
Archduchess Karoline Leopoldine
Archduke Alexander Leopold
Archduchess Maria Amalia
Archduchess Maria Christina
Archduchess Karoline Louise
Archduke Maximilian Franz
Archduchess Karolina Ferdinanda
Grandduchess Louise Marie of Tuscany
Archduke Ferdinand Karl
Empress Maria Theresia Karolina
Archduke Joseph Franz
Archduke Johann Nepomuk
Queen Maria Karoline of Naples
Empress Maria Ludovica
Duke Albert of Sachsen-Teschen
Archduke Rudolf Franz
Napoléon's son, Duke of Reichstatt
Emperor Franz II./I.
Archduke Anton Victor
Archduke Karl
Archduke Ferdinand Karl d'Este
Archduke Franz Joseph
Archduchess Maria Anna
Archduchess Hildegard
Archduke Ludwig Joseph
Grandduchess Maria Anna of Tuscany
Archduchess Mathilde
Emperor Ferdinand I.
Archduke Franz Karl
Archduchess Maria Amalia
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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2006, 01:38:16 PM »
Marie Charlotte:

I was also quite surprised when the guide said this, since I also read several times  that Margarethe's heart is in Innsbruck. The guide said some years ago they did restaurations in the Hofkapelle but didn't find any hearts buried there.

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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2006, 05:29:26 AM »
That's really strange indeed.

Lindheim wrote in 1896 that a man called Sickinger created the urn for Margarethe's heart. Sickinger himself brought it to the Hofburgkapelle in April 1859.

Is there a difference between "Hofkapelle" and "Hofburgkapelle"?
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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2006, 01:33:48 PM »
I  think there is no difference. I visited the Hofburg in Innsbruck and just across the street is the Hofkapelle. The website of the Kaisergruft in Wien says her heart is in the Hofkapelle of Innsbruck. And this is just the church I visited.

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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2006, 08:50:14 AM »

Marie Therese as nurse