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Archduke Josef Karl (1833-1905),his family and descendants
« on: August 22, 2005, 05:48:12 AM »

Please post pics about the Archduchess KLOTHILDE, wife of Archduke Joseph Karl Ludwig of Austria, born princess of Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha.
She lived 1846-1927 and was the daughter of Prince August of S-S-G. (brother of King Leopold I. of Belgium) and Princess Clementine de Orléans.

Thanks!!!  :) :)


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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2005, 09:41:18 AM »
Klothilde as a little girl


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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2005, 07:17:25 PM »
Very interesting picture...I would also like to know more about her!

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2005, 08:46:49 PM »
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Please post pics about the Archduchess KLOTHILDE, wife of Archduke Joseph Karl Ludwig of Austria, born princess of Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha.
She lived 1846-1927 and was the daughter of Prince August of S-S-G. (brother of King Leopold I. of Belgium) and Princess Clementine de Orléans.

Thanks!!!  :) :)


I think August was Leopold I's nephew, not brother.

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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2005, 03:39:30 AM »

Yes, you are right, August was the son of Leopold's brother Ferdinand. Only August's and Leopold's wives (Louise Marie and Clementine) were sisters. Thank you!

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2005, 01:44:20 PM »


Nice profile!

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2005, 05:10:25 PM »
Her family was rather tragic I'm afraid. Her sister-in-law Leopoldina of Brazil died in 1871 of typhoid. Klothilde's niece, Dorothea "Dolly" of Saxe-Coburg was married to Ernst Gunther of Schleswig-Holstein, a drunk, a womaniser and a very bitter man. Dolly's brother, Leopold, was shot and then had acid thrown at him by his scorned mistress Camilla Rybika. However, contrary to popular belief, Leopold did not die after the attack. He survived for several agonizing months and died in a Vienna hospital, "while undergoing an operation" to repair the damage. Camilla Rybika committed suicide by gun shot in Leopold presence. Dolly and Leopold's mother Louise (Princess of Belgium), married to Philipp of Saxe-Coburg, eloped to Nice with her husband's chamberlain Count Keglewitch. She was eventually captured and returned to Vienna and placed in a lunatic asylum at the instigation of her husband. Prince Philip was considered one of the most dissolute princes and his drunken and violent behavior towards his wife led to her attachment to Count Keglewitch. Louise managed to escape and fled to France with her lover Count Keglewitch, she obtained her divorce from her husband Philip in 1906 (one source mentions 1907) and lived the rest of life with Count Keglewitch although they never married. Philipp's brother Ferdinand married Maria II of Portugal and lost several children to illness throughout his life, apart from his own wife in childbirth in 1853. Also, Leopoldina's son's wife, Archduchess Caroline of Tuscanny, died of natural causes although some sources indicate she was shot in 1945 by the occupying Russian forces in Budapest. It's likely this misconception arose because she died at about the same time as her son Rainer who died in tragic circumstances and some genealogists assumed she followed the same fate. Her daughter Caroline suffered from a mental problem and as a consequence was imprisoned by the Nazi health authorities in an institution where she subsequently died. Her brother Prince Rainer disappeared without trace in Budapest in 1945.He was declared officially dead in 1961 with effect from 31 December 1945. Their distant relative Kyrill of Bulgaria was shot in 1945, while his brother died in mysterious circumstances in 1943. It must be a family thing ;)

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2005, 03:56:26 PM »
Thanks for the interesting text?

I think it was Philipp's uncle (rather than brother)  Ferdinand who married Maria II of Portugal? Philipp's brother Ferdinand in fact was elected Prince of Bulgaria 7 July 1887 and proclaimed himself King of Bulgaria on 5 October 1908 and was father of King Boris III of Bulgaria (died in mysterious circumstances following a visit to Hitler) and Prince Kyril of Bulgaria (who along with the other two co-regents was shot by the Communists in Sofia).

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Her family was rather tragic I'm afraid. Her sister-in-law Leopoldina of Brazil died in 1871 of typhoid. Klothilde's niece, Dorothea "Dolly" of Saxe-Coburg was married to Ernst Gunther of Schleswig-Holstein, a drunk, a womaniser and a very bitter man. Dolly's brother, Leopold, was shot and then had acid thrown at him by his scorned mistress Camilla Rybika. However, contrary to popular belief, Leopold did not die after the attack. He survived for several agonizing months and died in a Vienna hospital, "while undergoing an operation" to repair the damage. Camilla Rybika committed suicide by gun shot in Leopold presence. Dolly and Leopold's mother Louise (Princess of Belgium), married to Philipp of Saxe-Coburg, eloped to Nice with her husband's chamberlain Count Keglewitch. She was eventually captured and returned to Vienna and placed in a lunatic asylum at the instigation of her husband. Prince Philip was considered one of the most dissolute princes and his drunken and violent behavior towards his wife led to her attachment to Count Keglewitch. Louise managed to escape and fled to France with her lover Count Keglewitch, she obtained her divorce from her husband Philip in 1906 (one source mentions 1907) and lived the rest of life with Count Keglewitch although they never married. Philipp's brother Ferdinand married Maria II of Portugal and lost several children to illness throughout his life, apart from his own wife in childbirth in 1853. Also, Leopoldina's son's wife, Archduchess Caroline of Tuscanny, died of natural causes although some sources indicate she was shot in 1945 by the occupying Russian forces in Budapest. It's likely this misconception arose because she died at about the same time as her son Rainer who died in tragic circumstances and some genealogists assumed she followed the same fate. Her daughter Caroline suffered from a mental problem and as a consequence was imprisoned by the Nazi health authorities in an institution where she subsequently died. Her brother Prince Rainer disappeared without trace in Budapest in 1945.He was declared officially dead in 1961 with effect from 31 December 1945. Their distant relative Kyrill of Bulgaria was shot in 1945, while his brother died in mysterious circumstances in 1943. It must be a family thing ;)





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Re: Archduke Josef Karl (1833-1905),his family and descendants
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2005, 04:43:07 PM »
Archduke Joseph and his wife Clothilde were very interested in Hungarian gypsies. Joseph was even known as a famous "gypsy researcher" and studied the so-called gypsy writing, their letters, etc.

BTW: Are there any pics of Clothilde's sister Amalie (1848-1894), wife of Max Emanuel (Mapperl), Duke in Bavaria?
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2005, 02:50:53 AM »
Huuhuu? There must be a portrait of Amalie by Winterhalter. Someone posted it in the Windsor section of this forum, but I couldn't see it anymore.  :'(
Does anyone have this pic and would be so kind to show it again? Thanks a lot.

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2006, 09:19:20 AM »


Gisela's other daughter Auguste with her husband... again a Habsburg!
Archduke Joseph August of the hungarian Habsburgian Line.


Gisela and Leopold called their both girls after their Grandmum's Empress Elisabeth &
 Auguste Ferdinande.   ;)

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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2006, 01:22:09 PM »
Hallo,

as synnadene and I are very interested in Archduchess Clotilde, Prinzessin von Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, I'd like to start this new topic.

Clotilde Marie Adelheid Amalie was the first daughter of August von Sachsen-Coburg-Gota and his wife Clémentine d'Orléans. There were very interesting characters among her siblings, for example Philipp who married Louise of Belgium or Ferdinand who became King of Bulgaria.

Clotilde was born on July 8th 1846 in Neuilly-sur-Seine and died on June 3rd 1927 in Alcsut / Hungary.

She married Archduke Joseph of the Hungarian line in 1864 and was mother of seven children.

Any information is welcome - and feel free to post pictures.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2006, 02:25:11 PM »
Clotilde (standing) and I believe her sister Amelie (Amalie) with Princesses Helena and Louise (right) of Great Britian
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2006, 12:47:54 AM »

Archduchess Clothilde's mother, Princess Clementine, an Orléans by birth, was the great-aunt of Philippe, whose two grandfathers (Prince Ferdinand, Duc d'Orléans, and Prince Antoine, Duc de Montpensier) were Clementine's brothers.  Had Philippe and Maria Dorothea been able to procreate, their offspring would have had three direct lines of descent from King Louis Philippe of the French.

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2006, 02:43:26 AM »
I have only found these three.

Has anyone got others?







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