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Offline beladona

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Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives
« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2009, 08:48:28 AM »
Berthe de Rohan (1860-1945) married in 1894 Carlos Duke of Madrid (1848-1909) as his second wife.
Any pictures of her? How was her connection to Carlos five children? Was she anyhow involved in carlism?

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Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives
« Reply #76 on: March 15, 2009, 02:04:02 PM »
Berthe de Rohan (1860-1945) married in 1894 Carlos Duke of Madrid (1848-1909) as his second wife.
Any pictures of her? How was her connection to Carlos five children? Was she anyhow involved in carlism?

Look at the previous page of thsi thread. There are pictures of Bertha there.

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Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives
« Reply #77 on: March 25, 2009, 03:29:31 AM »
Berthe de Rohan (1860-1945) married in 1894 Carlos Duke of Madrid (1848-1909) as his second wife.
Any pictures of her? How was her connection to Carlos five children? Was she anyhow involved in carlism?



Berthe de Rohan marriage to Don Carlos was unpopular for the carlism. I think she was not involved in it and the  relationship to her stepchildren were not good and almost inexistent. This was due to Berthe's strong and dominant character. Don Carlos's first wife, Margaritha Bourbon Parma was much more popular and esteemed by the carlists

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Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives
« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2009, 01:47:18 PM »
Are there any photos of Fabiola Massimo.

Did she get married and have children ?

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Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2009, 08:48:21 PM »
I know that since the father of the Dukes of Madrid and San Jamie, the Count of Montizon, lived appart from his family in London Duke Franz V of Modena, Archduke of Austria-Este was kind of a father figure to his nephews in Modena.  When Franz V died the title "Archduke of Austria-Este" and some estates went to Archduke Franz Ferdinand and other estates went to Maria Theresia (later Queen of Bavaria).  So upon the death of Franz V did Carlos and Alfonso Carlos recieve anything (estates?, money?) from their uncle? 

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Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives
« Reply #80 on: September 22, 2014, 09:47:39 AM »
Are there any photos of Fabiola Massimo.

Did she get married and have children ?

If you are still interested since 2009, I've found that Fabiola Massimo married Baron Enzo Galli Zugaro 15.09.1898

They had issue:

Paolo, barone Galli Zugaro * 05.03.1925
Maria Teresa del Balzo

Fabio Galli Zugaro * 24.02.1928
 Anna Maria Sanfelice

Carlo Galli Zugaro * 14.05.1934
 Anne Frances Johnson
Elizabeth Diane Fitzpatrick

Umberto Galli Zugaro * 01.11.1940
 Jolanda Muskens


I could find only a nice pic of her, unfortunately I'm still not able to insert an image, so find her on http://geneall.net/it/name/153623/fabiola-massimo/




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Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives
« Reply #81 on: September 25, 2014, 02:37:44 PM »
   The marriage between Don Jaime de Bourbon and his niece, Princesse Fabiola Massimo, was opposed by Princesse Beatrice de Bourbon-Massimo----Jaime's sister and Fabiola's mother---because of the close blood relation of the two.   Beatrice was extremely uneasy about the match and opposed it, according to her youngest daughter, Comtesse Blanca de Wurmbrand-Stuppach (nee Princesse Blanca de Massimo).

    This was a wise decision, obviously.  That branch of the Bourbons had one of the most "concentrated" bloodlines in Europe by that time.  Don Jaime was also closely related to Princesse Mathilde of Bavaria.  His grandmother (Princess Marie Beatrice of Modena) and her grandfather (Prince Ferdinand of Modena) were brother and sister.  The Marie Beatrice and Ferdinand were the result of a marriage between uncle and niece (Duke Francis IV of Modena married his niece).

    Back to Don Jaime----

    He was the heir of the Comtesse de Chambord and and spent much of his time at the Chateau de Frohsdorf in Lower Austria from 1909 until his death in 1931.  His sister, Princesse Beatrice de Bourbon-Massimo, inherited Frohsdorf and all of its contents.  Many things were sold at auction during the 1930s.  Unfortunately, during WWII, the Germans and then the occupying Soviets destroyed or burned the rest.


I read that he also proposed to one of D.Miguel II's daughters, Infanta D. Filipa IIRC

In the end, he did nor seem very worried with the future of the carlist cause, knowing that his heir was his old and childless uncle D. Afonso Carlos.

I wonder if D.Jaime ever had any relation with Alfonso XIII.

I know that D.Alfonso Carlos had the courtesy to write to Alfonso XIII and inform that he would take the name of Alfonso Carlos I and not claim the name that he should have taken - Alfonso XII - in memory of he king's father