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Reply #15
« on: August 25, 2005, 12:49:23 PM »
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I can't remember. It was either one of Cecily's daughters or it may have been a daughter of Catherine Woodville, Elizabeth's sister. Somebody might know out there.
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« on: August 25, 2005, 01:00:19 PM »
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Well, Catherine was married firstly to Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham, and then to Jaspar Tudor, Duke of Bedford. She had issue with Buck, but not Jaspar . . .
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« on: August 25, 2005, 01:41:33 PM »
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Yep, definately Cecily. She had two daughters and both died very young. Catherine Woodville's daughter Elizabeth was the first recorded mistress of Henry VIII
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« on: August 25, 2005, 04:49:40 PM »
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that was kinda incestuous, wasn't it?  Roll Eyes
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« on: August 25, 2005, 05:10:08 PM »
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Kimberly, your description of Elizabeth is very fitting, in my opinion.  I believe she was ice cold and she thought and acted as though she was royal to her fingertips.  She certainly believed in exercising her prerogatives, and she did manage to control her husband to the end.  She would have made a fearful stepmother, had Edward had any previous children.

Costain paints a colorful portrait of her in The Last Plantagenets, dining alone in queenly splendor with a lady at her knee and her own mother standing close behind to hand her her napkins.
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« on: August 26, 2005, 12:20:10 AM »
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I have a very good biography written by David Baldwin. Its actually very fair and while not excusing any of her actions, it does dispel some of the myths. After all, if you were elevated to Queen and had a horde of unmarried brothers and sisters surely the least you could do would be to make "good" marriages for them.
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« on: August 26, 2005, 12:25:47 AM »
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She had what would appear to be a close relationship with Grace, an illegitimate daughter of Edward. She was quite possibly brought up by the Queen and she accompanied Elizabeth's body to Windsor.
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« on: August 26, 2005, 05:18:44 AM »
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Yep, definately Cecily. She had two daughters and both died very young. Catherine Woodville's daughter Elizabeth was the first recorded mistress of Henry VIII



To complicate itn even more, if I am right, please correct if I am not, this Elizabeth was later married of by Henry to his widower uncle, Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk!
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« on: August 26, 2005, 05:41:59 AM »
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Oh boy its so confusing.
Thomas Howard married firstly, Anne Plantagenet- sister of Elizabeth of York.
This Thomas Howard's second wife was Elizabeth stafford whose father was Edward Stafford and mother was Eleanor Percy. So this would be a different Elizabeth Stafford. They should have given them different names like KYLIE or BRITTANY and then we wouldn't be so darned confused. Lets go up the pub Grin
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« on: August 26, 2005, 05:43:36 AM »
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I agree Kim - Princess Kylie has such a nice ring to it. Enough of this 'Elizabeth', 'Mary', 'Catherine' and 'Jane' nonsense.  Grin
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« on: August 26, 2005, 06:31:38 AM »
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Ha ha ha ha! Yes, princess Kylie seems alright to me!
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« on: August 26, 2005, 06:33:13 AM »
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Yes, and, to add an Irish idiom, I'm thinking 'HRH Prince Deco'.  Grin Grin Grin
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« on: March 22, 2006, 10:26:31 AM »
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I think Elizabeth was someone who has been much malighned with little reason, as anyone with many unmarried brothers and sisters would have tried to well by them after being elevated to such a position. She had family loyalty, and that is a virtue by most people's standards, although nepotism isn't at all. She certainly was a stunner, and would have had to be to keep Edward's interest.

She seems to have been someone who could be soft as well as hard, intelligent as well as seeming this dumb, widowed, relative commoner the king shoudn't have married. That is how she was seen by some. Most of her descendants with Edward come from Elizabeth, who married Henry VII-certainly most modern royalty can trace their bloodline there. In light of that, it certainly is interesting that her other children didn't leave that many descendants.
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« on: March 23, 2006, 01:36:51 AM »
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i think i mentioned this already but jane grey's father descended from one of elizabeth's sons... i believe he was the youngest of the two sons from her first marriage
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« on: March 23, 2006, 09:18:17 AM »
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There's debate about that, but I think Thomas Grey - grandfather of Henry Grey - was Elizabeth's eldest child.
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