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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2004, 09:12:37 PM »
Could it be someone tricked the young king (he was only 20) into buying something they knew wasn't what it was supposed to be?

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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2004, 09:23:02 PM »
Okay now I'm totally confused ??? ??? ???


This says the famous Spanish pearl got into the Yussupov family by unknown means and that they still own it today?

So- which one is it Liz has, what happened to Zenaida's, what happened to Ena's? Anybody? ???
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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2004, 09:32:50 PM »
Hello Annie, the Yusupov Pelegrina was also Spanish, see my earlier posts :)

Ena´s brooch was destroyed and the jewells used for new pieces. That was a common practice for Ena and her jewells have rarely come to this day in its original/initial shape.

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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2004, 11:39:47 AM »
May I please ask the question as to which pearl was the one that had been owned by Mary Tudor, Queen of England, wife of Phillip II of Spain?
I thought that it was "La Peregrina", the pearl that now belongs to Elizabeth Taylor and which is part of her ruby, pearl and diamond necklace..........................
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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2004, 10:30:06 PM »
Hello Martyn,

The pearl bought by Felipe II (or Phillip II) was La Peregrina, belonging today to Elizabeth Taylor.

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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2004, 09:40:14 AM »
Thank you Antonio.  That clears that up nicely.
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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2004, 04:35:32 AM »
I'm not sure whether this correct but I vaguely recall that the Yussupovs bought some of the French Crown Jewels when they were publicly auctioned in the 1880's.  Does anyone know if this is the case?
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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2004, 10:03:09 PM »
Someone asked about "memoirs" of Russian nobility. There are lots of them, like "Souvenirs d'un monde englouti" written by Countess Kleinmichel, the memoirs of Baroness Sophie Buxhoevden lady in waiting to the Empress Aleksandra Feodorovna, the recent memoirs of Count Mijail Ignatiev, known in the USA as Michael Ignatieff the journalist of the New York Times, The memoirs of "Sandro" Grand Duke Aleksandr Mijailovich published during the 1930's, and many others.
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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2004, 10:01:28 AM »
Does anyone know the present whereabouts of the Youssupov black pearls. They once belonged to Catherine the Great. The pearls, this particular rope at least were said to have been the most perfect rope of matched black pearls in the world. They entered the family's collection by way of the Engelhardt's, the nieces of Grigory Potemkin, one of whom married a Youssupov. I know through Christopher Dobson's and Greg King's biographies that Felix sold it through Cartier to one of the Goelets. Someone told me it later was acquired by a lady named Dina Dyer. Where are they now.

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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2004, 05:04:48 PM »
What has happened to the Youssupov's Lovers Knot Tiara?

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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2004, 07:55:58 AM »
I don't think that anyone knows what has become of the Lovers Knot tiara.  Presumably, the Soviets either sold it privately or broke it up for the stones; either way, it hasn't been seen since it was discovered by the Soviets.
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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2004, 07:31:01 PM »
Were the Youssupov black pearls those given to Mary, Queen of Scots, by Catherine de'Medici on the occasion of the former's marriage to the latter's son? If so, I believe they are those which were long coveted - and subsequently confiscated - by Elizabeth I of England. I should very much appreciate information about them , and how they came into the possession of Catherine II and thence to the Youssupovs.

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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2004, 04:28:27 PM »
I may be wrong but I am pretty sure that Catherine de Medici's pearls were white and not black.  They were given to Mary Stuart by Catherine as a wedding gift and returned to Scotland with Mary.
After Mary's capture and incarceration at Lochleven, she managed to escape but sadly was obliged to leave behind some of her jewellery; the famous Medici pearls were offered for sale by the Regent, the Earl of Moray (Mary's detested half brother);  Catherine had been extremely keen to recover them but discovered that Elizabeth I had already bought them.  It is alleged that some of these pearls form part of the English Crown jewels, being set in one of the crowns (I think that it is the Imperial State Crown....)
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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2005, 02:52:40 PM »
The Youssoupoff black pearls were originally the property of Prince Gregory Potemkin, the famous lover of Catherine the Great.After his death his heirs divided his vast estate which included some historic gems. Tatiana vassilievna,Zenaidas great grandmother seems to have inherited amongst other things the black pearl called the Azra and a pink diamond the "Tete Du Belier" or "RAMS HEAD" a shocking pink stone.All these gems plus the wonderful items Tatiana later bought pased down to her great grandaughter Zenaida and seemed to have been the principal items salvaged by the family and taken into exile. The subsuquent story of their sale are recounted in Hans Nadelhoffers wonderful book Cartier; published originally in 1984 and reprinted several times scince.The black pearls were bought by a Rhode Island senators wife Mrs Peter Goelet Gerry who was the widow of the Vanderbilt who built Biltmore in North Carolina.The


                                                                          pelegrina and Azra were still in zenaidas ownership when she died.

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Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2005, 08:01:33 AM »
I can't find the thread where it was mentioned: a photo of Irinas sunburst tiara being examined after it was found hidden in the StPetersburg palace by the bolshevics, and the confusion of a photo wearing what looks like the same tiara in the 1920s.

I think I can solve this riddle. I believe the photos weren't taken in the 1920s at all, but BEFORE the revolution, sometime between 1914 and 1916.

One has to remember Irina was a woman on the cutting edge of fashion with the means to indulge it. The slimline styles we often assume as roaring twenties were already established by 1914. See this image for example:
http://www.fulcrumgallery.com/print_37723.aspx

You'll also see that Irinas hair isn't shingled, but merely gathered at the back, which is typical of the prewar period.

The wealthy women of StPetersburg were always right at the edge of style, taking up the tango, etc. I remember one memoir saying that tiaras were out of fashion shortly after 1900...hence the craze for aigrettes - which again, one sometimes thinks of as being purely 1920s. Wrong! There's a Pre Rev photo book which has a pic of female aristocrats in the street in 1916, and they look very modern and chic, and I've seen on of Irina visiting Archangelskoi around that time, and looking very slimline.

I hope this solves the puzzle!