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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2005, 11:26:28 AM »
I found some more info on the Queen of Hearts.

Apprently, Elizabeth had what Plowden describes as a 'casual' attitude towards her children . . . perhaps someone can elaborate on this??

Henriette Maria, who died young, was the beauty of the family apprently.

Elizabeth was godmother to Prince William II of Orange, who later married her niece Mary Henrietta, Princess Royal. This was to help soothe the awkward social situation in the Hague - the Princess of Orange, Amalia van Solms-Braunfels, had been lady-in-waiting to Elizabeth in the Palatinate!

Elizabeth and Frederick were deeply affected by the death of their eldest son Frederick Henry, who was a lively and attractive boy who ironically reminded Elizabeth of her late brother, Henry, Prince of Wales.

When Frederick died in 1632, it fell to a family physician, Dr Christian Rumph, to inform his 36 year old widow.

Though Dr Rumph told it me very discreetly, wrote Elizabeth, It was the first time that I was ever frightened.

Charles, her brother, was now King of England and offered her a home there, but Elizabeth refused - she new that eventually, she would have to fight for Charles Louis's rights to the Palatinate.

She was a truly amazing woman, almost universally well-beloved. Yes, she still called herself Queen of Bohemia till death, and her allies styled her 'Her Majesty' and referred to her as the Queen.
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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2005, 04:55:54 PM »
Yes I'd forgotten about Amalia. The Hague years sound so awful really. Am I right in thinking of Amalia was the kind of person who would always be reminding you of  who was boss now? Even if she was an understanding, nice person the situation can't have been very pleasant.

It is to Elizabeth's credit  that she kept smiling through. I think Pepys' adjective "debonair" speaks volumes about her character.

In my last post I tried to explain why Elizabeth might have had difficulty relating to her children - she was still "Queen of Bohemia", but they had to find their way in the real world.

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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2005, 08:27:28 PM »
Luise Hollandine never married and became abbess of Maubisson at some point, says worldroots.com.  Nice alternative to marriage or staying at home with mother.  Hollandine is kind of a strange name; I don't think I've ever read of any royal with that name.  She lived around 1622-1708, so esp. for the 17th century she lived for a long time,
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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2005, 04:30:32 AM »
Hi Lenelor Miksi

William the Silent had at least four daughters named after cities or provinces. I agree it is a bit wierd:

Catherina Belgica (1578 – 1648);
Charlotte Flandrina (1579 – 1640);
Charlotte Brabantia (1580 – 1631); and
Emilia Antwerpiana (1581 – 1657).

I think Antwerpiana is the silliest. These ladies were still alive when Elizabeth was naming her children.

Can anyone think of any others? (off topic I know)

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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2005, 06:23:25 AM »
Of topic, yes, so I'll make it quick - Princess Victoria Melita of Edinburgh: the 'Melita' was after Malta, where her father was serving with the navy and where she was born.
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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2005, 07:04:41 AM »
From what the paintings say about her, she sure looks like her father.

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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2005, 07:07:16 AM »
You think? I'll post a pic of James I to compare:



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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2005, 07:08:27 AM »
James gave Elizabeth and Frederick very little help when they needed it most - he just wasn't prepared to go to war to help his daughter and son-in-law.
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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2005, 07:09:05 AM »
Hmm . . . James and Elizabeth have the same eyes, I think . . .
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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2005, 07:12:59 AM »
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Hmm . . . James and Elizabeth have the same eyes, I think . . .




Exactly my point.

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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2005, 07:17:13 AM »
About the strange names, the first daughter of Manoel of Portugal (1568-1638), claimant to the Portuguese Crown, and of his wife Emilia von Nassau-Orange was called Maria Belgica for Belgium. Another of their daughters was called Ana Frisia. I don't know what this Frisia means, could it be in reference to a city from Holland or Belgium??
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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2005, 08:07:09 AM »
Wasn't there a Portuguese princess called Januaria . . .?
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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2005, 08:14:43 AM »
Yes, Januaria de Bragança, but I think it comes from the name Jenaro or Genaro, but I don't know if there is an English version of the name!!
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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2005, 08:19:53 AM »
Some Irish girls are named after place names - like 'Kerry' and 'Clare' . . .

Back to topic . . .
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Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2005, 04:29:59 PM »
Or Shannon!

also Valentia, I think would be a very nice name.

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