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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #195 on: January 17, 2010, 04:54:19 AM »
I must say that the way you present the democracy in France implied that you ....already know little thing about the status of the Monarchy movement in France in 2010:

- the hope for Royalty's restoration is a state of mind within some circles: is monarchy the object of that hope? I would say it's more a hope to see a Orleans, a Bourbon Parme or a spanish Louis XX acting as a representant of the historical continuity within a parlementary monarchy.
- the hope for the restoration of imperial head of state exist among some institution or social group also. The late Prince Napoleon's family has a certain meaning here. Again, an imperial regime would be closer to the parlementary one then the Napoleon Ist ou Third one.

The monarchy movement is more underground now then it was in the 20's for instance, at the time when the Royal's were still banned from the Hexagone territory. But, if a prince or a duchess get married, if on January 21st there is a commemoration mass for the late Louis XVI, watch carefully the action happening inside big or little churches: you will see how much the enthousiasm for old nobility or obsolete name and title is important, even flamboyant. The late Count de Paris Henri d'Orléans has spent the first half of his 'bitterswet' life thinking that one day Général de Gaulle would show up in his living room and would ask him to be king of France. He lived that 'dream' because de Gaulle wanted that  state structure at one point. But in the middle of the 60's the Général change his mind....At that moment, Henri ( and the monarchist) saw  France's last chance to be entertain by king and queen fade away.

Nobility is still a reality in France. Private club and chasse a courre are good withness of it's vivid and proud way of maintaining inherited way of living. It's only the nature of their goods that has change and the fact that every one is working...No noodle tree for nobility! Monarchy is still...a spirit, a dream for few even some French people of all political point of view. You cannot presume that  all the members of the FN of JM Le Pen are monarchy supporters...and vice versa.

I hope these considerations may help your thought or reflection. Cte Guiramov
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #196 on: January 17, 2010, 05:12:54 AM »
Thank you, Monsieur le comte, for that very enlightening clarification! I will be having a look in French media on the upcoming anniversary of Louis XVI's death to look for any signs....

I now understand that the real chance for another French restoration disappeared when de Gaulle made up his mind in the 1960s. And that French monarchism is not limited to just one particular group. But I am still curious about Le Pen: IF he ever was a monarchist, he sure must have made some statements about his stance? Or does he prefer to let people not know and thus not alienate anybody?
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #197 on: January 17, 2010, 05:22:00 AM »
Dear I dont know if he personnally regrets Marie-Antoinette or Marie-Amélie. He speaks so fast on tv show that I hardly catch what he says! all I can tell is that yes there are monarchist in France who are against M. Le Pen. Have a good day again!
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #198 on: January 17, 2010, 07:59:42 AM »
I must say that the way you present the democracy in France implied that you ....already know little thing about the status of the Monarchy movement in France in 2010:

- the hope for Royalty's restoration is a state of mind within some circles: is monarchy the object of that hope? I would say it's more a hope to see a Orleans, a Bourbon Parme or a spanish Louis XX acting as a representant of the historical continuity within a parlementary monarchy.
- the hope for the restoration of imperial head of state exist among some institution or social group also. The late Prince Napoleon's family has a certain meaning here. Again, an imperial regime would be closer to the parlementary one then the Napoleon Ist ou Third one.

The monarchy movement is more underground now then it was in the 20's for instance, at the time when the Royal's were still banned from the Hexagone territory. But, if a prince or a duchess get married, if on January 21st there is a commemoration mass for the late Louis XVI, watch carefully the action happening inside big or little churches: you will see how much the enthousiasm for old nobility or obsolete name and title is important, even flamboyant. The late Count de Paris Henri d'Orléans has spent the first half of his 'bitterswet' life thinking that one day Général de Gaulle would show up in his living room and would ask him to be king of France. He lived that 'dream' because de Gaulle wanted that  state structure at one point. But in the middle of the 60's the Général change his mind....At that moment, Henri ( and the monarchist) saw  France's last chance to be entertain by king and queen fade away.

Nobility is still a reality in France. Private club and chasse a courre are good withness of it's vivid and proud way of maintaining inherited way of living. It's only the nature of their goods that has change and the fact that every one is working...No noodle tree for nobility! Monarchy is still...a spirit, a dream for few even some French people of all political point of view. You cannot presume that  all the members of the FN of JM Le Pen are monarchy supporters...and vice versa.

I hope these considerations may help your thought or reflection. Cte Guiramov



Oh, such a big and detailed answer, thank you very much.

Yes, I know something about today's French democracy (or what French people get by this beautiful name;), but I can't say the same thing about my knowledge of a modern French Monarchical movements.

Count, thank you for the answer.
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #199 on: October 11, 2010, 07:27:35 AM »
What a weird topic.
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