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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2006, 02:55:30 AM »
Well, I have glanced down the 1st book of Maria Pavlovna's memoires and found out that VMH had been at Moscow at the time of Maria's engagement! So that Princess is VMH not Irene.

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2006, 04:17:13 AM »


The same sitting that Zarevna_Olga posted (another pose)


Dnitry and Maria with OTM –Grand Duchesses Olga, Tatiana and Maria



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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2006, 12:06:30 PM »
Marie was the big sister figure to Alicky's children, especially Olga and Tatiana. Who apart from her, had only Princess Irina (Xenia's daughter) as a playmate.  :(

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2006, 03:53:19 AM »
I think it is a Russian book ?

Yes, the Russian bio on Maria Pavlovna.

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2006, 10:33:26 AM »
The last post is pretty true.Ella didn't have children, but I don't think she resented it too much. She had an opportunity to raise children after all, that were closely related to her husband through circumstances that she was lucky to have. She may have just clashed with Marie P. over personalities. They seem to have been different people, and didn't understamd each other that well. And that doesn't mean she didn't love children, nor that she may have been cold at times in reality to Marie P. She was human, after all. Marie was a rather hard character to figure out; she was interesting, if you read her book you know that. But she may not have been very happy, as for instance in her marriages. Ella wasn't sometimes happy either, but found different ways of dealing with it.

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2006, 08:45:52 AM »
I kinda of thought that Marie P was a bit spoiled by everyone who was sorry for her. Greek Minny wrote in her bio that Marie P could be wilful and selfish at times and that neither ( Marie and Ella) understood the other.  :(

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2006, 02:37:16 PM »
Well lets see here;  Her mother dide when she was less than two years old and then her father "left" her with an aunt and uncle to re-marry and start a new life and family with his second wife.  I could see how this chain of evemnts could cause smeone to get messed up in the head.

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2006, 07:34:11 PM »
Yes...A father who left his responsibility and ran off with his mistress. However Marie P never blamed him and put the blame on Ella. Quite unfair...Fortunately Dimitri did not share his sister's dislike of his Aunt.  :(

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2006, 04:56:44 AM »
However Marie P never blamed him and put the blame on Ella. Quite unfair...Fortunately Dimitri did not share his sister's dislike of his Aunt.  :(

Maria put the blame firstly on GD Sergey most probably.

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2006, 09:39:24 AM »
No she did not...That is why I felt Marie was a bit unfair to Ella. She let her irresponsible father and mistress off scot free.  :(

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2006, 01:20:15 PM »
No she did not...

You can't know exactly. You never knew Ella or Maria or Sergey. We all never knew them, we just can suppose. And I guess that Maria blamed fristly Sergey.

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2006, 01:23:26 PM »
I got the impression from her memoirs that Marie blamed Serge because he was possessive of them and thus didn't want Paul to be allowed to reclaim his rights over them. She did seem to let Paul 'off the hook' but that could the romanticizing of a father figure by a young girl.
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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2006, 01:26:51 PM »
I got the impression from her memoirs that Marie blamed Serge because he was possessive of them and thus didn't want Paul to be allowed to reclaim his rights over them.

I got the same impression. :)

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2006, 07:27:35 PM »
Marie Pavlovna's early life wasn't easy, and I am sure that she  may well have been messed up there, or experienced some conflicts at the very least. Unhappy childhoods either make you stronger, or mess you up, and either way they make you wiser than you would otherwise have been, I think. Sometimes you might seem strong, in spite of your childhood, but underneath things aren't so fine. There are limits to strength, even in being a survivor of an unhappy childhood. That is something to be considered when thinking about  Marie Pavlovna.

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Re: Ella and her foster children Marie Pavlovna and Dmitri
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2006, 09:00:04 PM »
Well I also tend to think that her Aunt & Uncles felt sorry for her had overcompensate for her lack of a normal family. The Empress was known to be fond of Dimitri, but I didn't get the same impression of her for Marie P.  :(