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Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« on: September 07, 2005, 12:01:38 PM »
Hi! I know there is already a topic about the children of Franz Joseph and Elisabeth, but I wanted to start a topic only for Marie Valérie as I think she is much more interesting than the homespun Gisela or the crazy Rudolf. I would like to discuss her personality, her relation with her mother, with her husband, etc and get to know more things about her. Also, I would like to know what she thought about other royals (the Romanows, the Hohenzollern, the Windsors,...). And of course I would love to see pic and portraits of her and her own big family! :) :)

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2005, 07:06:45 AM »
anabel, some interesting facts about M.V.:
- Tsar Nicholas was present at the baptism of her daughter Hedwig in September 1896
- she thought that Princess Viktoria of Prussia wasn´t a nice person, when she met her, but she liked her younger sister Margarete. She said about her:" She is such a lovely little person, that I´d love to get to know her nearer".
- Her opinion about the three Hessian sisters and their brother:" Viktoria Battenberg - rather mean, Princess Heinrich - quite nice and Alix, still unmarried but extremly beautiful. Their brother Ernst Ludwig is still quite boyish.
- when visiting England with her mother, she was afraid of the old Queen
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2005, 01:47:13 AM »
Marie Valerie looked very pretty when she was young. So pity she had no much resemblance to her breath-taking mother...

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2005, 07:19:33 PM »
True!  she was very cute as a child.  Unfortunately that none of Sisi's daughters inherit her beauty.  One good thing Marie Valerie did inherit from her mother is her beautiful hair :)

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2005, 07:20:21 PM »
Did Marie Valerie write any memoirs?

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2005, 03:10:34 AM »
- Marie Valerie was born in Hungary which was unusual.  Usually imperial children were born in Austria but Sisi was determined to give birth in Hungary, a country she loved very much.  And b/c of this, it was rumored that her father was not Franz Joseph but Guyla Andrassy.  

- Marie Valerie, unlike her siblings, was brought up by Sisi herself.   They never parted until she married.

- She married her cousin Franz Salvator, Archduke of  Austria-Tuscany for love.  

- She was linked to the Prince of Saxony and Prince of Braganza.

- Marie Valerie acted as a go between for FJ and Sisi.  Sisi always mumbled because she didn't want ppl to see her bad teeth.  FJ on the other hand, was losing his hearing as he got older and could not hear what Sisi says.  So MV would repeat what her mother said.  

- Marie Valerie disapproved of her parents' friendship with Katherina Schratt.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2005, 05:20:42 AM »
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Did Marie Valerie write any memoirs?

She wanted to write a biography about her mother, but this was never put into action  :-/. Her diary (1878-1899) was published by Martha Schrad.

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2005, 05:40:35 AM »
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- Marie Valerie was born in Hungary which was unusual.  Usually imperial children were born in Austria but Sisi was determined to give birth in Hungary, a country she loved very much.  And b/c of this, it was rumored that her father was not Franz Joseph by Guyla Andrassy.

- Because of these rumours Marie Valérie was called the "Hungarian Child". However, it doesn´t seem likely that Andrássy was her father as Elisabeth was a woman who didn´t like "physical love".

- Marie Valérie was very sad because of these roumors as she loved her father dearly. She also tried to underline her Hapsburgian roots through making a "Hapsburgian lip".

- Elisabeth once said to her sister-in-law Marie José that her relationship with Andrássy was never poissoned by love. After hearing this, Marie Valérie was nearly mad of joy (she thought that this proved that Andrássy can´t be her father).

- Although she was raised Hungarian by her mother, Marie Valérie hated this country and its people (especially Andrássy) as adult


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Re: Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany)
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2005, 03:14:53 PM »


How did her three children die?  Did they die young?
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2005, 04:49:46 PM »
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- Marie Valerie was born in Hungary which was unusual.  Usually imperial children were born in Austria but Sisi was determined to give birth in Hungary, a country she loved very much.  And b/c of this, it was rumored that her father was not Franz Joseph by Guyla Andrassy.

- Because of these rumours Marie Valérie was called the "Hungarian Child". However, it doesn´t seem likely that Andrássy was her father as Elisabeth was a woman who didn´t like "physical love".

- Marie Valérie was very sad because of these roumors as she loved her father dearly. She also tried to underline her Hapsburgian roots through making a "Hapsburgian lip".

- Elisabeth once said to her sister-in-law Marie José that her relationship with Andrássy was never poissoned by love. After hearing this, Marie Valérie was nearly mad of joy (she thought that this proved that Andrássy can´t be her father).

- Although she was raised Hungarian by her mother, Marie Valérie hated this country and its people (especially Andrássy) as adult



Yup, sisi and andrassy were probably not lovers at all.  Their relationship was platonic.  

Yes, marie valerie hated andrassy.  She disliked the fact that she was rumored to be his daughter.  

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2005, 05:31:45 PM »
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Thank you so much Agneschen and Marie Charlotte!!!! ;D ;D ;D

How did her three children die?  Did they die young?

Franz Carl Salvator died fairly young, aged 25 after WWI. because of the spanish flu. Maria died in 1936 in Innsbruck. Theodor Salvator died in 1978 aged 79. He inherited Castle Wallsee.

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2005, 05:51:18 PM »
Why were they buried with her then?  Is it because they didn't marry? (did they marry?) ???

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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2005, 06:01:16 PM »
The youngest daughter of Marie Valérie, Agnes, was born in Bad Ischl on June 26th 1911. The little girl only lived for eight hours. Of course Marie Valérie and Franz Salvator were disturbed, but it was a comfort for them that their 10th child had been baptised and had received " the eternity of joy after moment of life." In this moment of grief Marie Valerie´s thoughts were yet again by her mother:"How comforting to presume, that this little grandchild has maybe finally helped her to go to heaven."
Agnes grave in Bad Ischl

Also Marie Valérie´s eldest (and most beloved) daughter Elisabeth ("Ella") died young, aged 36.

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2005, 06:03:47 PM »
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Why were they buried with her then?  Is it because they didn't marry? (did they marry?) ???

Franz Carl and Maria didn´t marry, so it was logical that they were buried in the family grave. Theodor inherited Castle Wallsee (the family grave is in the little town near the castle) so he and his wife were buried there too.

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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2005, 06:25:33 AM »
Archduchess Marie was a very lively, sporty young woman. Nevertheless she spent the time before her death in a sanatorium in Innsbruck and died aged 35.

The following members of Marie Valérie's family are buried in Sindelburg near Wallsee, Lower Austria.

Marie Valérie (1868-1924)
Franz Salvator (1866-1939)
Franz Carl Salvator (1893-1918)
Theodor Salvator (1899-1978)
Maria Theresia von Waldburg-Zeil (1901-1967)
Marie Elisabeth (1901-1936)

Anna Amélie von Schönburg-Waldenburg (1936-1966)
Hedwig von Lichem-Löwenburg (1938-2000)
(wives of Archduke Franz Salvator, born 1927, grandson of Marie Valérie and Franz Salvator)
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die weiten weissen Schwingen,
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Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


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