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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2005, 11:34:21 AM »
Interesting topic! Elisabeth Marie was a fascinating woman!
Emilia: I don´t know that much about her love life, but before and during WWI, she had an affair with Egon Lerch, a submarine captain. I found a pic of him:

Elisabeth actually wasn´t a very good mother. She doted on her children when they were small, but when they grew older, she didn´t treat them well, especially Rudolf, who had to leave school and begin to work in a fabric, because his mother was a professed socialist. Elisabeth and her daughter Stephanie didn´t have a good relationship either. Stephanie married her first husband due to the fact that her mother didn´t like him!

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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2005, 12:27:09 PM »
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She doted on her children when they were small, but when they grew older, she didn´t treat them well, especially Rudolf, who had to leave school and begin to work in a fabric


What is a "fabric"? Did they need Money?


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because his mother was a professed socialist.



So was Lord Louis Mountbatten!  



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Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2005, 02:48:13 PM »
TampaBay, I think anabel meant "factory". But Elisabeth Marie herself didn't need money of course.
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2005, 03:01:11 PM »
Erzsi was a good mother she fight for her children when otto came and say they are his childs.
Later she didnt want the children near her because her love with otto petznek was young...
Later her son Franz Joseph came often to visit her in vienna(he lived since 1947 in Kenia)and also the other kids.Rudolf dies tragic in a motorad accident 1939 and Ernst Weriand  d. 1953
In the 1920és she took Stephanie (Fee) into a kloster in belgium.
Erzsi dislike her 2 husband Carl Björklund

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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2005, 03:44:02 PM »
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Erzsi was a good mother she fight for her children when otto came and say they are his childs.

hmmm. This was kind of an horrible event. Otto came to Elisabeth´s place to take the children (only the two smmaller ones, I think) and there were socialists with guns everywhere to stop him as Elisabeth had called for their help against Otto. Otto went home without his children and they were raised by Elisabeth. If this really was good for the children, noone knows...

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2005, 06:27:15 AM »
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Erzsi was a good mother she fight for her children when otto came and say they are his childs.
Later she didnt want the children near her because her love with otto petznek was young...

I don´t think you can call her a good mother when she treated her children like that! And I have also heared that her first husband wasn´t the father of her last child! No, she maybe had a fascinating personality (much like her father) but she wasn´t a real sport!

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Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2005, 04:05:32 AM »
Here is a short bio on Erzsi:

Born on September 2nd 1883, she was the only child of Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria and Princess Stephanie of Belgium. When her father died in January 1889, her grandfather, Emperor Franz Joseph, took over the guardianship of his much beloved granddaughter. At a young age she displayed a strong personality, even stubbornness, as well as an opposition against the court in Vienna.
She was cold and distant towards her mother, especially after she married Count Elemer Lonyay in 1900. On January 23rd 1902 in Vienna, 'Erzsi' married Prince Otto zu Windisch-Graetz, a marriage not befitting her social standing. However, Emperor Franz Joseph very generously assured that she could live in luxury with her husband.
Between 1904 and 1909 four children were born, but the marriage became a very unhappy one. Both Erzsi and Otto flaunted their much-discussed affaires. Only after the death of her grandfather, and the end of the monarchy, was Elisabeth able to obtain a divorce. However, the legal process, started in 1919, was finalized only in 1924 and then a yearlong fight started about the custody of their children. These were kidnapped with police action causing Elisabeth to seek help from the social democrats.
At this time she started to live with the social democratic teacher and politician, Leopold Petzneck, and remained at his side when there were marches and meetings where she was accepted with great respect. In February 1934 Petzneck was arrested and jailed by the Austrian government and, in 1944, sent to the concentration camp in Dachau. Surviving this ordeal, they married on 4 May 1948 in Vienna. In 1956 Leopold Petzneck died and Elisabeth became a reclusive. She suffered from gout and most of the time was wheelchair bound. In her will she left her inheritance to the 'Wiener Gemeinde'.


I had an impression, that she wasn't good mother. When I look at the photos taken with her children she seams very cold and distant to me.

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Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2006, 11:00:48 AM »
Has anyone got a piccie of Elisabeth Marie's second husband Leopold Petznek?

???

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2006, 11:14:36 AM »
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Has anyone got a piccie of Elisabeth Marie's second husband Leopold Petznek?

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Here is one...

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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2006, 11:21:58 AM »
Thank You!

Poor Leopold that's a police pic..

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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2006, 08:00:13 AM »
Any other photos of her???

Would be grateful!

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Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2006, 09:24:18 AM »
I have read in my book "Kaiseradler und Rote Nelke", that Stephanie is not the legitimate child of Otto zu Windisch-Graetz. She is the result of the relationship from her Mama to Egon Lerch, a submarine captain in the austrian army.

The author of this book is Ghislaine Windisch-Graetz, who was married to Stephanie's eldest brother Franz Joseph, so it seems to be true.

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2006, 09:56:25 AM »
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I have read in my book "Kaiseradler und Rote Nelke", that Stephanie is not the legitimate child of Otto zu Windisch-Graetz. She is the result of the relationship from her Mama to Egon Lerch, a submarine captain in the austrian army.

The author of this book is Ghislaine Windisch-Graetz, who was married to Stephanie's eldest brother Franz Joseph, so it seems to be true.


Dear Marie_Valerie, I have read "Kaiseradler und rote Nelke" by Stephanie´s sister-in-law too, but I can´t remember that it suggested that Egon Lerch was Stephanie´s father. ??? And as Stephanie was born in summer 1909 and Elisabeth "Erzsi" got to know Lerch in 1913 it seems unlikely that he´s the father. ;)

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Re: Archduchess Elisabeth 'Erzi', Otto Windisch-Graetz and their family
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2006, 11:03:00 AM »
It is also in the Personenregister, some family members claim that Stephanie is the daughter of Egon Lerch...

But we won't know if this is true or false.


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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2006, 12:10:52 PM »
Are there any photos of her with first husband (just to complete the family album  ;D ?