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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2006, 05:05:10 AM »
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Sad and very touching... :'(

Wonder where that portrait is right now ? Can you tell me ?

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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2006, 06:34:54 AM »
Really ? I have been there a few times but never saw that one...maybe its in storage. :(

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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2006, 08:48:43 AM »
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Really ? I have been there a few times but never saw that one...maybe its in storage. :(

I found this painting of Elisabeth Wilhelmine in one of my books. There the author says that the painting is located in the Kunsthistorische Museum in Vienna. I've been there, too, but I haven't seen it either. I think there are many paintings in this museum you actually can't see. So I guess, it really is in storage.
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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2006, 12:18:41 PM »
Agreed...Museums do periodically change the exhibits. Like the time I went to the Prado in Spain and found some of the paintings had been switched. Another senario may be the painting was lent out... ;)

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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2006, 06:54:27 AM »
What are those anecodtes concering Franz II's marriages? I have read about them, if i remember correctly in Castelot's biography about Napoleon I., that he kinda relates Marie Louise's sexual appetite to her father's and hints, that Franz II. basically "killed" these women with his..hmm..behaviour? Is it just an anecdote or were these women literally tired and died or what? :o
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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2006, 10:31:54 AM »
You mean sexed to death ? I think that was what they meant. Actually his first and third wife were quite sicklyto begin with . The second one (Princess Maria Theresa of Naples, Queen Maria Carolina's daughter) had too many children in quick succcession. I think she was exhaused by the contant labor. The last one (Princess Charlotte (later changed to Carolina Augusta) of Bavaria) was a fit woman who loved exerise and fresh air. It was natural that she should survive him for many years.

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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2006, 11:22:31 AM »
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What are those anecodtes concering Franz II's marriages? I have read about them, if i remember correctly in Castelot's biography about Napoleon I., that he kinda relates Marie Louise's sexual appetite to her father's and hints, that Franz II. basically "killed" these women with his..hmm..behaviour? Is it just an anecdote or were these women literally tired and died or what? :o

First of all:  ;D ;D ;D

Elisabeth Wilhelmine died of smallpox some days after giving birth to her daughter Louise Elisabeth.
Marie Therese suffered from some illness and had a premature birth.
Maria Ludovica died of tuberculosis.
And Caroline Auguste died aged 81 - childless ... does this mean that Franz lost his "sexual appetite " within the years?  ;)
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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2006, 11:22:52 AM »
somehow. This is what Castelot mentions in the connection of Maria Luise as well, who-he says-made Nipperg quite "weary" and in fact he was happy when his -prolonged- duty was "over", since he became exhausted from the "legendary Habsurbg lust"..woooh!
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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2006, 03:02:27 AM »
That is why I said Maria Ludovika was sickly and not of strong constitutusion. Maria Theresa  of Naples was a strong woman, but exhusted due to too many childbirths. The last one got away from that fate...

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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2006, 02:01:05 AM »
It looks very nice and shows how much family resemblence there always is, the mother of Franz II, who has also Habsburg ancestry looked a bit similar to and also a lot Clementine, the daughter of
Leopold II and sister of Franz.

Does anyone have this or a similar picture in colour? I only know that with the golden crown. There are also some others, but which makes me confused is that they are sometimes identified as Maria Therese and sometimes as her daughter Marie Louise...strange :-X
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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2006, 10:42:14 AM »
No...Her daughter did not have the Bourbon nose... ;)

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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2006, 11:26:17 AM »
Sorry I did not really understand...Which daughter did not have the Bourbon nose? ;D

I do not know, why they are so often confused:.. :-?
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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2006, 11:39:24 AM »
This portrait is really sometimes identified as Marie Louise and sometimes as her mother :o

I personally suppose, it´s rather Marie Louise than Maria Theresa...maybe a stupid question....but what do others think?





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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2006, 09:21:29 PM »
Definitely Empress Marie Louise. She had similar years with her mother, but if you compare that with the portrait above. You can see that she those not have Maria Theresa's full bourbon nose and thick sensual lips (also a bourbon trait).  :)

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Re: Four wives of Emperor Franz II (I)
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2006, 08:22:54 AM »
I've never seen this painting before ...  :-?

Hmm, I don't think it's Empress Maria Theresia, but I don't see any resemblance between the lady on the pic and Marie Louise either ... Did Marie Louise have blue eyes?
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