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Offline Candice

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2004, 05:54:55 PM »
I don't see any resemblances to the IF whatsoever.  I think they're very lovely photos.

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2004, 08:30:24 AM »
While I can see a resemblence between Oleg and the Tsar, I can also see one between him and Alex Guiness in his later years (Obi Wan Kenobi style).

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2004, 12:28:34 PM »
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The only one that would convince me of a relation to the tsar would be Oleg, because he does look REMARKABLY similar to Nicholas II.


I think that Oleg's resemblance to Nicholas was certainly heightened by his carefully cultivated hair and beard -- but still, they ARE very alike.

I also see a strong resemblance between his sister Olga and Alexander III.

As for Vassili Ksenofontovich being the grown up Alexei -- well, I've always thought that Alexei was a rather ordinary-looking boy.  And VKs was rather an ordinary-looking man.  So maybe there's a resemblance -- but on the other hand, maybe their resemblance is in their shared "ordinaryness."   ::)

Alexei's disappearance is a bit of a conundrum for me.  We have stories about Anastasia being rescued, either from the courtyard or from the forest -- but nothing about Alexei.  If he survived, and he was smart, he would probably have behaved much as Oleg Filatov claimed his father did -- if he stayed in Russia.

This whole thing is just riven with little mysteries and coincidences, isn't it?  One item that struck me during our research on FOTR was that the missing bodies are those of the minor children -- and Lenin had recently promulgated a law forbidding the execution of minor children.  Perhaps nothing more than a coincidence, since I am not convinced that the Ekaterinburg Soviet would have been impressed with Lenin's laws -- but perhaps a reason for hiding these bodies a little better?  Or -- to play on AGRBear's team for a little while -- a reason to rescue them?

It's just all so shady...  8)
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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2004, 03:51:06 PM »
It is definitely shady.  SO confusing.  I don't know WHAT to believe.  I love it whenever you comment on these things, Penny, because you make it so interesting--not that others don't make it interesting, it's just that you and Greg wrote books and know a great deal on this subject. ;)  Even though all these twists and turns get frustrating sometimes, I enjoy them immensely!!! :D

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2004, 07:29:47 PM »
Dear Michelle:

DNA testing was done on a sample from Vasili Filatov, and his DNA was reported not to mesh with that of his alleged parents.  At least, unlike another recent claimant, Filatov did have hemophilia and something of at least a White Guard bearing about him.

I, too, would be very skeptical of anyone claiming to be the little Tsarevich in the first place.  

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2004, 11:52:44 PM »
Regarding the Filatovs wanting a blood sample from Prince Philip, his mtDNA sequence has been published in Nature Genetics (I believe this is the name of the magazine). Several US labs have done testing on mtDNA samples - all that would be necessary would be a mtDNA sample from Vasili Filatov.

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2004, 11:34:15 AM »
Oh, so they DID test the Filatovs? :o  I had no idea.  I never heard anything about that.

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2004, 09:07:52 PM »
No, they did not test the Filatovs - that I know of. I have heard rumors that tests were done and there was no match. The post to which I was responding said the Filatovs were wanting a sample of Philip's blood, and I was merely pointing out that it was not needed. A sample is not needed because the results have already been published in a magazine.

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2004, 10:33:38 PM »
Ooops!  Sorry, Lisa! :-[  I misunderstood.

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2004, 02:51:45 PM »
Dear Lisa

This request from Oleg Filatov was made to us via a Russian Orthodox priest and probably pre-dates the magazine article to which you refer.   It predates the Anna Anderson DNA findings for example.   I recall there was also mention of a tooth and Scandinavian investigations.   It is so long ago - approximately ten years -  I cannot remember details.

There is one anatomical fact re the tsarevich which I found too sensitive to mention during the interview with Oleg Filatov, however even a 'son' might not have known the answer.  

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2004, 11:19:51 PM »
I think I know the issue to which Tsaria refers. In the case of the Vancouver Alexis, he had the same condition.

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2004, 10:09:44 PM »
And what would this issue be?  ???

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2004, 10:26:24 PM »
Yes, what condition are you refering to? Was this some problem in his groin? I have heard vague rumours of that.
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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2004, 04:44:40 PM »
In Radzinskiīs book I read that Alexej suffered from something called cryptorcism which means that one of the testicles had not sunk down which happends in early age. I donīt know if this is true. I havenīt heard or read about this anywhere else. Radzinsky told about an Alexej claimant called Semjonov who was in a psychiatric hospital in Petrozavodsk in Karelia. He was examined by a doctor called Gendelevich who discovered this condition on the patient which he said the heir Alexej also suffered from. Is this what you refered to in the last posts?

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Re: Vasili Filatov
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2004, 06:25:48 PM »
See the book THE ESCAPE OF ALEXEI, Son of Tsar Nicholas II by Vadim Petrov,  Igor Lysenho and Georgy Egoroy


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