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Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« on: September 29, 2005, 11:43:03 AM »
Here's a thread to dicuss Princess Helene, who came very close to becoming Queen of Great Britain and Empress of India through her engagment to Prince Eddy, Duke of Clarence. Pics and info welcome, especially about Helene's later life!  :)
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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2005, 11:52:03 AM »
Who did she marry eventually?

How did she meet Eddy!

Any back ground her family?  I know were father was a/the pretender to the French Throne.

She must have been a "woman of substanial subatance" as she was the personal choice Of Tsar Alexander III, Tsaria Marie and the Imperial Russian Ministers to marry Nicholas II!  

It is my understanding QV more than approved of her!

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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2005, 12:11:16 PM »
I will try my best, TB!!

Princess Helene was the daughter of Louis Philippe, Comte de Paris, who was the grandson of Louis Philippe d'Orleans, King of the French who was deposed in 1848. Helene's mother was Marie-Isabelle de Montpensier, the Comte's first cousin.

Helene had several brothers and sisters:
1. Marie-Amelie (1865-1951). She married Carlos I of Portugal.
2. Philippe (1869-1926). He succeeded his father as pretender to the throne, married Archduchess Maria Dorothea of Austria but died childless.
3. Isabelle (1878-1961). She married Jean d'Orleans, Duc de Guise, her first cousin.
4. Louise (1882-1958). She married Prince Carlos of the Two Sicilies.
5. Ferdinand (1884-1923). He married Maria Isabel de  Valdeterrazo, but died childless.

After her separation from Eddy, she married Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Aosta, cousin of Victor Emmanuel II of Italy in 1895 and had these children:

1. Amedeus II, Duke of Aosta (1898-1942). He married Anne, the daughter of Helene's sister Isabelle.
2. Aimone (1900-1948). He married Princess Irene of Greece.

Helene died in 1951 aged 79.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2005, 12:25:58 PM »
I'll just re-post this from the old Marguerite d'Orleans thread I started!



The Orleans cousins enjoying a lovely summers day. Marie (later Princess Waldemar of Denmark) is reclining against her cousin Amelie (later Queen of Portugal). Standing behind Amelie is Helene (who famously loved my Eddy  ;D and later became Duchess of Aosta) and the two younger children are Marguerite (Duchess of Magenta) and Prince Jean (later Duke of Guise).



It's easy to see why Eddy fell for her...




Helene as a nurse during the First World War



Helene in later life

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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2005, 12:38:19 PM »
Helene has a very 'noble' face. Doesn anyone else think she looks a little like Queen Elisabeth of Belgium or am I crazy?
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2005, 01:24:12 PM »
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Helene died in 1951 aged 79.


In whay year was she born?

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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2005, 01:32:28 PM »
Both..... 8).....

On another note,wasn't this the Duchess of Aosta that how should I put it,thought she was more of a Royal then the Italian Royal Family?Helene de France,was by all means,a very proud lady.Maybe Amedeo,or Umigon,Cimbrio can enlighten us?
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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2005, 01:44:16 PM »
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In whay year was she born?

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She was born in 1871, thus 7 years Eddy's junior.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2005, 02:20:33 PM »
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Helene has a very 'noble' face. Doesn anyone else think she looks a little like Queen Elisabeth of Belgium or am I crazy?


It's funny you should mention that, because I found this picture in a book, and swore it was Elisabeth, only to find it was Helene!  :)


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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2005, 02:22:51 PM »
They do look alike! How odd! Were they related?

Here's Queen Elisabeth:
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2005, 02:32:34 PM »
Yes, it is a very striking likeness!

Helene's mother was born a Spanish Infanta, while Elisabeth's was a Portuguese Infanta...maybe somewhere along the line they were related? Anyone else know for sure, to save me scouring the ENDLESS genealogy websites which make me go blind?!  ;) ;D

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2005, 04:13:19 PM »
They had a common great-great-grandfather in Charles IV of Spain - Helene through her mother Isabelle d'Orleans, whose mother was a Spanish infanta, and Elisabeth through her grandfather King Michael of Portugal, son of a Spanish Infanta. This is the nearest relationship I can find.
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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2005, 04:45:20 PM »
In fact, the study of Helene's ancestors proves interesting.

Among them she could count:
-Charles I of Britain (through his daughter Minette)
-Felipe V of Spain and his wife Elisabeth Farnese
-Empress Maria Theresa and her husband Francois Stephen of Lorraine
-Louis XV of France
-Carlos III of Spain

Certainly 'royal' enough to marry Prince Eddy!
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2005, 06:45:23 PM »
Are there any colour portraits of Helene d'Aosta?I have never seen any...

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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2005, 10:06:00 AM »
Couldn't find any portraits, but here's a nice pic with a four legged friend:

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