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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #165 on: May 14, 2010, 09:02:03 AM »
Lovely!! its always nice to see new images of Isabelle d`Guise!

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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #166 on: May 15, 2010, 12:56:59 AM »
Regarding her father refusing her to convert: He was not at all a political player / opportunist like his predecessors Philippe Égalité and Louis-Philippe, but rather like the Comte de Chambord a doctrinal "high-priest of legitism", who gave Orléanism a more reactionary flavour, wasn't he?

During his tenure even the Pope (Leo XIII) abandoned the monarchist cause, when the 1892 encyclical "Inter Sollicitudines" recognized the French Republic as a legitimate state that could be supported by Catholics.

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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #167 on: May 15, 2010, 10:09:14 AM »
I think if he cared about his daughter's happiness he should have relented...

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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #168 on: May 15, 2010, 11:04:51 PM »
Maybe he cared more about her immortal soul than transitory happiness? I think we have to remember how religion, and conversion betwen religions (even staying within the Christian religon),  was looked upon then. It was a HUGE deal to convert back then and many people felt that you would be punished in the afterlife. I don't claim to know his reasons but I also don't think it's fair to state that he should have done this or that if he cared about her happiness. Why couldn't Eddy have converted and renounced the throne for so great a love? Why couldn't he have married her without her converting and their children just wouldn't have inherited? It's not like Eddy didn't have options himself. These situations were pretty difficult back then and a few relationships foundered on the rocks of religion, or nearly did. Even taking religion out of it, perhaps her father felt they would be ill-suited in the long-run, who knows? Maybe religion gave him something to hide behind for denying the match. There could be any number of reasons.
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« Reply #169 on: May 17, 2010, 11:43:45 AM »
I think he was just too stubborn and too religious to give his daughter's happiness real consideration. That is my thought of course. The fact that Eddy being the heir the throne to marry outside the religion was a non-goer. Both Ena and Alicky had to convert to marry rulers, so because of Eddy's position, Helene (not being a Queen Regent or heiress to a throne) had to be the one to convert. She was eager to do so, but both fathers (her father and the Holy Father (Pope)) stood in the way. I read that Helene really loved Eddy and was devesated when it became clear that the marriage was not going to happen.

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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #173 on: October 11, 2010, 07:20:07 AM »
The marriage that never happened. With her cousin Margeritte, later duchess of Magenta



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« Reply #174 on: October 11, 2010, 07:28:24 AM »
Good that you mentioned her, I didn´t know who this woman was


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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #175 on: October 11, 2010, 07:32:13 AM »
She, beside of being sister of Marie, Princess of Denmark, was a lucky woman because she skipped marry him!

Has been told that Phillipe had an affaire with this lyric singer and she was the reason of the breakup of the engagement.



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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #176 on: October 11, 2010, 07:38:37 AM »
A beauty *cough*

Besides her and Maria, Margarethe of Thurn und Taxis was mentioned by her mother to marry him. So Margit escaped, too, thanks to Albert.
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Re: Count Louis Philippe de Paris (1838-94) and his family
« Reply #179 on: October 12, 2010, 05:46:47 AM »
What beautiful pics Thanks for sharing