Mary Tudor, Duchess of Suffolk - cause of death?

here she is

Hello Veu, I know the film you mean, it is an enjoyable piece of whimsy with Glynnis Johns as Mary Rose.... utter rubbish of course but ideal viewed with a blazing fire , a large glass of wine and a box of chockies There is a stunning portrait of MR with Charles, its around the Tudor thread somewhere I am sure.

I've only seen bits of this film, but Glynis Johns has somehow "defined" Mary Tudor for me. I think this is one of the reasons I was disappointed by the book "Henry VIII's sisters" - the real Mary seems so colourless in comparison!

Great British actress - wonderful husky voice. She was the suffragette mother in "Mary Poppins", but lots of other great roles as well.

Aaahh yes, who can forget her "Miranda" the mermaid, they don't make films like that anymore :-/

Here's a still from the "Sword and the Rose", with Miss Johns:



James Robertson Justice was King Henry!

Rosalie Crutchley played Catherine of Aragon. She played Catheine Parr in the television series "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" and "Elizabeth R" (where she really enjoyed helping Tom Seymour slice up Glenda Jackson's dress!)

Henry and Catherine:

Thank you very much. We love this story!!!!

I found the "Sword and the Rose" very entertaining - a good deal of fiction in it, but fun fiction. Who was the nobleman supposed to be who tries to take liberties with Mary's virtue, calling her a "Welsh upstart" or something like that? Then Brandon dashes in and defends her honor! A great scene, very romantic.

It's the Duke of Buckingham, the rotter.

I found the Maria Perry book kind of boring too, and never really got into it. The subject is fascinating, but some how the conception/writing never match up. Perhaps it is all that Scottish politics. Anyway, we don't know really know what Mary died of, but in that age causes of death were not always precise. And, in those days dying at the age that Mary did would not be regarded as so young as now. Mary I don't think would have married Francis I because she cared little about status, and more about love. She loved Charles Brandon. She was of the old order, and may not have liked Anne Boleyn for that reason, among others. I doubt Henry would have ever done anything to her for having this view. After all, she had the sense to stay away from court because of this.

Really? IMO if Mary-Rose hadn't set her cap at Charles Brandon, she would have dashed up the aisle to wed Francis.

I found the Maria Perry book kind of boring too, and never really got into it. The subject is fascinating, but some how the conception/writing never match up. Perhaps it is all that Scottish politics. Anyway, we don't know really know what Mary died of, but in that age causes of death were not always precise. And, in those days dying at the age that Mary did would not be regarded as so young as now. Mary I don't think would have married Francis I because she cared little about status, and more about love. She loved Charles Brandon. She was of the old order, and may not have liked Anne Boleyn for that reason, among others. I doubt Henry would have ever done anything to her for having this view. After all, she had the sense to stay away from court because of this.

Yes I think everyone found this book uninspiring. I disagree that it's because of the Scottish politics. I can't believe it's possible to write boringly about the reign of James V - so much happened!

It's always said that Mary was against Anne Boleyn. Is there any hard evidence of this, apart from her absence from court? I supppose it would be normal to be against the "new woman" but it seems a tad hypocritical of Mary (given Suffolk's past), and especially Margaret!!! Does anyone know how Henry's sisters got on with Catherine of Aragon?

It seems to me that she had been ill for a great number of years and she didn't attend court very much even before Anne came on the scene. She had sweating sickness in 1519 and was never fully fit again (she had no more children after this date either). She was present in 1529 however for the celebrations when Anne's father was made Earl of Wiltshire. She was dying at the time of Anne's Coronation, but Suffolk played an important part in the ceremonies.

It must have been love that drove Mary into Charles Brandon's arms - he was a less than ideal suitor in so many respects. Though Mary was supposed to have had a fling with Francois before she was married to Louis, I don't think marriage was on the cards. It was in his clear best interest to marry Louis' daughter Claude, as she was the heiress to Brittany. As it turned out Claude was ignored by Francois, with the support and connivance of his mother Louise of Savoy.

Does anyone know how Henry's sisters got on with Catherine of Aragon?

Mary did - she supported Catherine against Anne. I think Margaret did, she spent a year at the English court - 1516-1517.

I think both sisters got on with her. Wasn't there some kind of minor "uprising" of some sort and the three women petitioned Henry to release the prisoners at some point?

Well, there were perhaps other factors in her abscence from court as well as opposition to Anne. I thought the Maria Perry book was going to be so interesting, but although it is historically informative etc, it didn't ever seem very interesting to me, while the subject is defintely interesting. It could have been the scottish politics or other things as well, but it is kind of sad. I do think Charles Brandon was the only one for Mary, and she would have put him before any foreign king.

I think both sisters got on with her. Wasn't there some kind of minor "uprising" of some sort and the three women petitioned Henry to release the prisoners at some point?

Was this the Evil Mayday riots of 1517? Wasn't it standard practice for royal women (eg Philippa of Hainault) to beg for mercy in such cases? It meant that the king could be merciful without looking "soft".

I think it was around that time Bell. Thanks for that