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Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« on: October 08, 2005, 01:07:30 PM »
Basement  (scale - 40m)



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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2005, 03:15:22 PM »
Vlad:

This is the first I have seen of the basement plans.  

Thank you for posting them!

We have also been wondering about the full  2nd floor plans.

Can you post them?

We all very much appreciate your effort to fully reveal the palace.

Douglas
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2005, 03:58:04 PM »
I'd very much like to know the measurements of the family's rooms. Can anybody help? For those of you who have been there, even an estimate would be appreciated, just to give me a sense of scale.
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2005, 05:47:59 PM »
 According to the plan drawn up for the World Monuments Fund survey of the Alexander Palace the dimensions are:

the width of the Imperial Residence wing is 80' (the 'internal' width is indeed 74')
the External or Park facade length of the wing is 205'
the Internal or Courtyard length of the wing is 72'
the inside/courtyard width between wings is 245'
thus the total length across the Palace is 405' (80'x2+245')

In simple terms the Imperial wing is 80' X 205'.

The internal hall [ of the Imperial wing]  is approx ten feet wide.

Hope this helps....if not,  let me know.
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2005, 10:05:19 AM »
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2005, 12:14:13 PM »
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I'd very much like to know the measurements of the family's rooms. Can anybody help? For those of you who have been there, even an estimate would be appreciated, just to give me a sense of scale.


SE, the east wing of the palace has been restructured considerably since the revolution, although some of the rooms are still intact.

But for example, the Maple Room - the family room when the IF lived there, has been divided into two separate rooms, instead of one huge one. The loft that used to be in the Maple Room is no longer there, the exit and entrance are in totally different spots. So everything looks very different than it used to... I had to walk around the wing several times on several different occasions until I finally figured out what the layout actually used to look like! And this is being there in person - unfortunately it would be even more †difficult to imagine it just from having the measurements or even the floor plan... I had drawn out the floor plan of the first floor of the east wing (the part that's open to the public) for my project, but as I mentioned, it doesn't mean anything because it used to look very different when the IF lived there...
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2005, 01:27:12 PM »
All plans of the AP, that Iím going to post, were published in the book: Yakovlev V.I. The Alexander palace-museum in Detskoye Selo. Decoration.- Leningrad., 1928. The book consists of 560 pages and describes (all) rooms in the palace.
Itís very unusual book for 1920th.
There is one problem: how does the size reduce, but doesnít impair the quality of the picture...
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2005, 01:55:45 PM »
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Well, there is one problem: how does the size decrease, but doesnít impair the quality of the picture... Are there any ideas?


Vladimir, are you talking about posting photos, or what exactly do you mean by this? If you are trying figure out how to reduce the size of the photos so you can post them, PM me and I will be glad to tell you how you can do it.

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2005, 02:39:06 PM »
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Vladimir, are you talking about posting photos, or what exactly do you mean by this? If you are trying figure out how to reduce the size of the photos so you can post them, PM me and I will be glad to tell you how you can do it.

Helen




i sincerely think, in this instance, big would not be a problem!!!    

please vladimir, post them big.   if plans get too small, it's very difficult to really make any detail out.  

besides, the plan of the basement that you posted was a wonderful size!!!    not too small....not too incredibly big, either.

JUST RIGHT!


there are so many of us that VERY MUCH appreciate your generosity and are waiting breathlessly for the other plans  ;D

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2005, 04:40:23 PM »
Vladimir:

Brian is the name of the man who made the post just above this one.  He and I are most interested in plans of the Alex.  palace and other palaces. As you can tell Brian and I are most excited and happy when we have new plans.

If the book you reference has any cross-sections of the palace please post them also.  

We all are waiting with anticipation for a look see at these plans.

[I posted the approx. dimentions of the Alex palace on this thread.  See Oct. 8th post above.]

Douglas :D

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2005, 05:44:23 PM »
Vladimir,
I'm another person who woulld be thrilled if you could post additional plans of the AP.
It would be wonderful if we had plans of the second floor especially.  The main floor has been well documented.
Thanks again.
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2005, 06:02:14 PM »
Vladimir, does the book mention anything about the tunnel that lead from the kitchen building into the east wing? I was told by several people that it still exists today but is used mostly as storage space. I was wondering where exactly is the entrance from the tunnel is in the east wing? Thanks.

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2005, 09:36:11 PM »
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Vladimir, does the book mention anything about the tunnel that lead from the kitchen building into the east wing? I was told by several people that it still exists today but is used mostly as storage space. I was wondering where exactly is the entrance from the tunnel is in the east wing? Thanks.






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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2005, 09:41:09 PM »
Yes, this looks right. The kitchen building is about 100 feet to the left of the left wing of the palace, so the way this is marked it looks like the tunnel would be in that general vicinity. I can't really tell under whose rooms it leads - it looks like numbers 34-35 ???
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2005, 09:48:12 PM »
Brian:

The "tunnel"  you noticed runs directly South-East towards the Kitchen Building that fronted on the street.

This kitchen tunnel appears to be about 200 feet in length.

The tunnel  entrance appears to  be under the Empress' Formal Reception Room.

To get to the tunnel you would go into the basement and you would then enter the tunnel by going DOWN a flight of stairs that are shown on the plan of the basement.

Maybe someone can find the stairs that lead to the basement.  Brian, can you find the stairs?

On second thought it is possible that the food was brought up by a dumbwaiter.  There might be a security problem if an actual stairway had access to the Imperial suite at that part of the palace.  Something to think about.  

Douglas
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