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Offline londo954

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2005, 07:31:15 PM »
With the first floor plan and actually any floorplan I have seen there are numbers to the rooms...someone SOMEWHERE must have a key to the numbers....Here's hoping  ???

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2005, 12:07:02 AM »
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With the first floor plan and actually any floorplan I have seen there are numbers to the rooms...someone SOMEWHERE must have a key to the numbers....Here's hoping  ???



the owner of this site, Bob Atchison, has that information (as well as similar plans).   he knows the function of all the rooms.  

several of us have asked him to identify the rooms of the right wing on the ground floor....for whatever reason, and as far as i know, he hasn't yet.  

perhaps, if you ask, he may help clarify the situation by helping to  identify the 2nd floor rooms (and maybe the basement rooms)?


however, i'm certain he's not the only member here that has the information we seek....

c'mon people, it's time to "put-up, or shut-up".....    LOL

really though, we're here because we all share an interest (from curiosity to passion) in this historic structure & what it represents.

if you have info that could help, please, spare the time, make the effort, take the trouble and demonstrate some generosity -- like vladimir has already.    

sharing & exchanging information can only aid in making this site, & forum, better than it already is.


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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2005, 10:48:17 AM »
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the owner of this site, Bob Atchison, has that information (as well as similar plans).   he knows the function of all the rooms.  



This quote comes from this website's section about the classroom on the children's floor:

"There were two classrooms for the Grand Duchesses in the palace. The second was over Nicholas's Reception Room and was used for music and dance instruction."

That would make the Music Room #37 on the floor plan.

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/girlsclassroom.html


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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2005, 01:53:37 PM »
JUST  THANKS SO MUCH!!!!

Do you also have a clear ground floor?

Thanks again

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2005, 02:03:55 PM »
Gavin O.,
There used to be a plan of the Children's floor posted in the AP main menu.  If my copy is correct, room #37 was listed as Marie and Anastasia's classroom.  However, it could have had the piano and therefore was used for music.
All the other rooms on the right side of the corridor (#29-36) were idenitfied as belonging to various maids.
The following is where room 37 is discussed:
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/maids.html
Bob G.
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2005, 02:27:19 PM »
I've printed out the second floor and I'm trying to develop a key to the numbers by looking for textual clues.  But I've found an unclear bit: on the second floor, room 31 is attributed to Anna Utkina and also to Alexandra Tegleva.  Surely they did not share it, especially as Tegleva was the head maid and therefore had senority and presumably better lodgings.

Dimensions of family rooms: well, inside the width is 74 feet, and elsewhere we're told the corridors are about 10 feet wide.  That leaves 64 feet of space.  On the plans the rooms appear roughly equivalent in width on either side of the corridor, thus giving 32 feet in width.  Which is rather a large room!

Thank you for this information--I've been wanting the Palace's dimensions since reading Michael Gray's book in which the purported Alexei claims that Buckingham Palace is small compared to the AP.

Nadezhda

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2005, 03:15:32 PM »
Nadezhda,
I  have room 31 as Anna Yakovlevna's room.  Is this the same person as Anna Utkina?  If you notice there is a large ante-room in front of it that may have been a sitting room.  That would make each room about 15.5 feet or thereabouts. Not too large.  Also, room 32 ( I have as Nurse Alexandra Tegleva's room) has a separate entrance from the corridor.  It looks like rooms  30 ( I have it as Chambermaid Elizabeth Ersberg’s room) and 31 shared an entrance. Room 29 which I have as the Chambermaid's bathroom is separate.
Doing some quick (and very rough) calculations, I would assume room 31 itself and the anteroom are each about 12 x 15 feet.
Bob G

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2005, 12:36:51 PM »
The same plan of the basement.



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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2005, 12:39:31 PM »
Thanks all for the good words. I think we have to address most of the compliments to
the architect V.I.Yakovlev (1884-1950) who found the opportunity to publish this detail book.
Dr Vsevolod Yakovlev (after WWII - Full Professor) was the main curator of the AP in the early 1920th ,
then the director of the Tsarskoe Selo and the Pavlovsk museum (1924-1931).
All of his four books are interesting and, unfortunately, rare.
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2005, 12:41:48 PM »
Brian

The book has the plans of the AP only. But his previous book (that was published in 1927) has plans of the Kitchen building, the pavilions and one cross-section of the AP.
There are also many photographs (porcelain, paintings, jewels), but the quality of the print is low.
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2005, 12:43:11 PM »
Helen

Only 1000 copies were printed. I`ve never seen this book in the sale.

You asked about the tunnel. The entrance is #36.
One of the Yakovlev`s book describe this tunnel and the underground pool
in the Alexander park, which was made to prevent the leak of the water
in the AP in the case of the problems with the city water.
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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2005, 12:44:32 PM »
The entresols (between the first floor and the second floor).


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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2005, 01:54:05 PM »
Vladimir,
Thanks for the entresoles.  Gives us a little more knowledge.

Any reason why you re-posted the basement plan?

While I would not ask more of you because of your great generousity in posting these plans I notice that every room is numbered.  Is there any kind of key or list that describes or names the rooms according to their numbers on the plan?

If you wanted help with creating or translating such a list, I would be more than willing to somehow help you to do it.  
I know others would love a key like this to understand the functions of the rooms better.

If not, you already have all our gratitude for posting what you've shared, and it is a wonderful gift you given to those of us who love the AP.

Bob G

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2005, 03:30:52 PM »
I was just reviewing the Entresols plan and was curious as to why it was showing window openings in these rooms.  My speculation is that whom ever drew up the plan used either the first or second floor plan and just drew in the rooms in reference to the other floors.
I ve looked at pictures of the palace exterior and there are certainly no windows shown between floors 1 and 2.
Strange, huh?
Bob G

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Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2005, 03:34:36 PM »
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Helen

Only 1000 copies were printed. I`ve never seen this book in the sale.

You asked about the tunnel. The entrance is #36.
One of the Yakovlev`s book describe this tunnel and the underground pool
in the Alexander park, which was made to prevent the leak of the water
in the AP in the case of the problems with the city water.


Thank you very much!