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Offline Bourgogne

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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #240 on: November 13, 2009, 05:28:08 PM »
Well, I must confess I don't find this ridiculous... Or I should say I'm a bit ridiculous myself, because I find all these questions of Etiquette rather fascinating!

But it was a typically french obsession. If you read the Mémoires of Saint-Simon, you're astounded how he can write ten or twenty pages about an armchair to give or not to give to this prince, when he's in front of this other prince, more or less high-ranking than the first, and so on (read for example the page about the visit of the duke of Lorraine in Paris, to see his brother-in-law the Regent).

There is also a page very interesting in the Mémoires of Mme de Boigne, about Louis XVIII's death.

Before Louis XVIII's death, the duchess of Angoulême was more high-ranking than her husband, because she was daughter of a King (Louis XVI), and her husband was just the nephew of the King. Then, like for Marie-Amélie and Louis-Philippe, the duchess of Angoulême always was going before her husband when they were in front of a door (but, slight difference, the door was always completely open for the duke too, because the rank difference was less distant between the duke and the duchess of Angoulême, than between Louis-Philippe and Marie-Amélie : the Angoulême were daughter/nephew of Kings, the Orléans were daughter/only far descendant of Kings).

And this day, all the royal family was assembled in Louis XVIII's bedroom to assist to his death. And the King died. The duchess of Angoulême liked his uncle very much, and was in tears. She gone with her husband to leave the bedroom, and was on the brink of going through the door before her husband, like she always had done before.

But at this moment, she remembered that since a few minutes, her husband was, like her, the son of a King (the new king, Charles X, Louis XVIII's brother), but moreover son of the reigning King, then now more high than her. So she stopped immediately and moved back, and said to her husband, through her tears : "You go first, Monsieur le dauphin!"

Mme de Boigne, seeing this, was amazed, because she could not understand how the duchess of Angoulême, who was completely distressed, could in the same time never forget the minor detail of the Etiquette...


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« Reply #241 on: November 14, 2009, 02:48:25 AM »
Louis-Philippe's family received the title of Royal Highness before Louis-Philippe's reign.

They were Serene Highness until the 21 september 1824.

The 21 september 1824, King Louis XVIII accorded the title of Royal Highness to Louis-Philippe and to all his children, and to Louis-Philippe's sister Adélaïde.


The title of Royal Highness was granted to Louis-Philippe, duke of Orléans, not by Louis XVIII but Charles X, September 21, 1824, five days after the death of Louis XVIII which occured September 16, 1824.
Louis XVIII hated too much his cousin Orléans to make him  such an honor...

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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #242 on: November 14, 2009, 09:56:43 AM »
YES OF COURSE!!!

Charles X, not Louis XVIII...  It was just a slip...

Moreover, about Louis XVIII, Louis-Philippe himself said to Charles X, when the King informed him that he was now "Royal Hignhess" :

- I must say, Sire, that the late King never wanted to admit this...
- Yes, I know, he had a little foible about this, some ideas which I don't think fair, but you must agree that your situation is a little awkward...

Marie-Amélie reports all this very interesting conversation between Charles X and her husband in her "Journal"...

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« Reply #243 on: November 16, 2009, 01:40:50 PM »
Well, I must confess I don't find this ridiculous... Or I should say I'm a bit ridiculous myself, because I find all these questions of Etiquette rather fascinating!

But it was a typically french obsession. If you read the Mémoires of Saint-Simon, you're astounded how he can write ten or twenty pages about an armchair to give or not to give to this prince, when he's in front of this other prince, more or less high-ranking than the first, and so on (read for example the page about the visit of the duke of Lorraine in Paris, to see his brother-in-law the Regent).

There is also a page very interesting in the Mémoires of Mme de Boigne, about Louis XVIII's death.

Before Louis XVIII's death, the duchess of Angoulême was more high-ranking than her husband, because she was daughter of a King (Louis XVI), and her husband was just the nephew of the King. Then, like for Marie-Amélie and Louis-Philippe, the duchess of Angoulême always was going before her husband when they were in front of a door (but, slight difference, the door was always completely open for the duke too, because the rank difference was less distant between the duke and the duchess of Angoulême, than between Louis-Philippe and Marie-Amélie : the Angoulême were daughter/nephew of Kings, the Orléans were daughter/only far descendant of Kings).

And this day, all the royal family was assembled in Louis XVIII's bedroom to assist to his death. And the King died. The duchess of Angoulême liked his uncle very much, and was in tears. She gone with her husband to leave the bedroom, and was on the brink of going through the door before her husband, like she always had done before.

But at this moment, she remembered that since a few minutes, her husband was, like her, the son of a King (the new king, Charles X, Louis XVIII's brother), but moreover son of the reigning King, then now more high than her. So she stopped immediately and moved back, and said to her husband, through her tears : "You go first, Monsieur le dauphin!"

Mme de Boigne, seeing this, was amazed, because she could not understand how the duchess of Angoulême, who was completely distressed, could in the same time never forget the minor detail of the Etiquette...



Monsieur Bourgogne, i did not mean to offend, to be fair i would rather live at Versailles any day of the week rather then Bath haha
do you have an online source for the meeting of Léopold de Lorraine and his brother in law the Regent, is that during the Regency by any chance?

also i do find the door issue amusing but like you said, the French obsession makes it silly ha =P
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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #244 on: December 23, 2009, 01:49:52 PM »
that is a stunning portrait =]

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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #245 on: January 16, 2010, 06:59:47 PM »
I believe that the unknown Gentleman and ady are the parents of the Duchess d'Aumâle, Prince Leopoldo and Princess Clementine of Bourbon-Two Sicilies.

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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #246 on: January 16, 2010, 07:37:58 PM »
What a stunning portrait !

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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #247 on: February 03, 2010, 12:32:24 PM »
this is a bit off from what people are talking about, but i was wondering..

does  anyone know what Charles d'Orléans (1820 – 1828) died of aged 8!? he was the third of six sons born to to Louis Philippe and Maria Amalia...!
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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #248 on: February 17, 2010, 04:33:37 PM »
Does anyone know if all the descendants in male line of Louis Philippe were Royal Highnesses? I'm wondering since that was not the case under L'Ancien Régime, where it was restricted to children and granchildren of the King and the Dauphin.

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« Reply #249 on: March 28, 2010, 12:43:14 PM »
So I found lithographs (by Henri Grevedon) made after paintings Winterhalter made of the Orléans family, four of them I have never seen. Does someone have the original?

Here they are:

Adélaïde d'Orléans, ''Madame Adélaïde'' (1777-1847)


Marie d'Orléans and son Philipp Alexander of Württemberg


Marie's son Philipp Alexander


Robert, duc de Chartres

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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #250 on: March 29, 2010, 01:29:23 PM »
These are probably all over the forum..

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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #251 on: March 29, 2010, 07:20:23 PM »
These are probably all over the forum..

Yes, I found them meanwhile.

Adélaïde's portrait from the French Ministry of Culture (they've got great collections).


I haven't found yet about that of Robert...

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« Reply #252 on: April 09, 2010, 02:10:57 PM »


Small, but in colour at least.

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« Reply #253 on: April 09, 2010, 05:02:46 PM »
Great thanks! (Not that small, I think that's a good size actually, we've seen worst!)

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« Reply #254 on: April 11, 2010, 06:30:56 AM »
French Ministry of Culture has great Collections but I can't find the link to the Paintings!  Normally I can find anything but I keep going in the wrong place....Can you give me the Link?