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Re: Grand Duchess and other possible suitors - what if..
« Reply #210 on: January 27, 2009, 10:54:22 AM »
i think Ella would be very sad.. she wouldnt be lonley , because Irene would be close to her.

But her Life would be safe..


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Re: Grand Duchess and other possible suitors - what if..
« Reply #211 on: January 27, 2009, 11:07:07 AM »
Or perhaps she wouldn't have children like she with Serge. And without children, the heir would be Waldemar,  the hemophilic son of her sister Irene.

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« Reply #212 on: January 27, 2009, 11:27:43 AM »
I think the possibility of Ella having children with Willy would be great. Serge seemed a bit strange in the sexual department...too devout to religion and the closet gay thing. Willy was more straight forward in that department.

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« Reply #213 on: January 27, 2009, 11:49:37 AM »
But it could be that  Ella was infertile. No one knows why Ella and Serge didn't have children. If because of her or his problems. If it was Ellas then Willie would be without heir.

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« Reply #214 on: January 27, 2009, 12:15:06 PM »
I don't think Ella was infetrile, the indication that almost all her siblings had children. I tend to believe the fault liesin the complexicity of Serge's sexuality which is still ambious. Another thread supported the Greg King's claim that he sexually molested his nephew Dimitri...

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« Reply #215 on: January 27, 2009, 12:19:12 PM »
Well, never we will know for sure. I heard it will be released soon a biography on Serge. Maybe there will be some answers to our questions about his private life.

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« Reply #216 on: January 27, 2009, 12:23:13 PM »
Sorry guys...I don't think he included his sexual life there. More religious, books and his relationship with his family I think. Ella would not have allowed that kind of information to remain...

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Re: Grand Duchess and other possible suitors - what if..
« Reply #217 on: January 27, 2009, 12:31:35 PM »
Serge's cousin, Konstantin was also well know for his sexual behaviours to men but he fathered many children. I have the impression that Serge liked children and if he could have he would have. that's why sometimes I think it could be that it was Ella's problem. Ella was less maternal according to her niece Maria Pavlovna.

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« Reply #218 on: January 27, 2009, 01:58:05 PM »
Well...Konstantin was a kinder and less tortured person than Serge. Serge had a cruel streak that was kind of scarry. I think Felix Yussopov was not far off the mark when he said Serge liked touching him, while he always brush it off. Konstantin wasn't acussed of molesting boys...

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« Reply #219 on: January 27, 2009, 04:13:34 PM »
Hello Everyone,

There is a new book out now called, "The Russian Riddle" by Tamar Anolic, about Serge Alexandrovich.
You can order a copy from Arturo Beeche at Eurohistory for $38.00 USD....

Larry

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« Reply #220 on: January 27, 2009, 05:46:32 PM »
I will definitely get it...soon.

Well I think Ella would have more political power than Dona because Willy did loved her (and remain so as her photograph remained on his desk), and may have checked his vanity in away that Dona couldn't have.

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« Reply #221 on: April 17, 2009, 04:02:35 AM »
Just imagine Nicky felt in love with Ella and not with Alix...and married her. What would have been different? I mean the two sisters were very different, would Maria Fy. more approach her than her sister? And what about the society, the russian people and her children (of course if not she was infertile)? And do you think she was more beautiful than her sister Alix? Guess she had a better taste than her... :)
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Re: Grand Duchess and other possible suitors - what if..
« Reply #222 on: April 17, 2009, 01:33:04 PM »
well Ella was stronger and not so    hysterical  about things. I think Ella would be a much better tsarina  then Alix. i belive Victoria and Irene would  be better tsarinas than Alix.  They was not so faint with their helth like Alix.  The russian poeple would love Ella.. i think so, becuase they loved her when she was a nun.

Mabe Ella would be happyer to be a tsarina then when she was married with serge. I dont want make Alix down, but when i look was her sisters more stronger and taffer than she.

queen victoria always wanted that Alix will be the next queen of great britan.. i think the people in England would loved her as her queen.


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Re: Grand Duchess and other possible suitors - what if..
« Reply #223 on: April 18, 2009, 04:33:48 AM »
I think the same. Would like to know how the russian history would have developed if Ella had been empress. (and how her and Nickys children would have looked like :) ) She was not thast fatalistic like her sister but I think a little bit more beautiful because she looked not som depressed and hard, more sympathic and lovely....
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Re: Grand Duchess and other possible suitors - what if..
« Reply #224 on: April 18, 2009, 08:13:05 AM »
yeah ella would be a great tsarina.. but i wonder how the names would have their children ??



But i think if Victoria,Ella, Irene and Alix would marry who the queen told them. Than the girls would be very unhappy..

i mean when the Girls woud be forced to marry another princes than they would be very sad

the queen would wanted  that:

Victoria would marry...(idont know, but the queen was not very happy with Louis)

Ella would marry ( which prince wanted the queen for Ella ??)

Irene would marry  Victor (or how was his name ?? the queen wanted marry that she marry a another prince)

Alix would marry Eddy..( if she didnt fight for the love for Nicky, she would forced to marry Eddy. Mabe she wouldnt be killed but she would never happy without Nicky...)

I thank God that the Girs fightet for their "prince´s Charmings" like Louis, Serge, Henry and Nicky.


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