Queen Elizabeth of York

Ilyala and Stacey hand bags at dawn girls

Ilyala and Stacey hand bags at dawn girls

I predict a riot.  

Elizabeth personally checked her accounts too, I think . . .

But getting back to Elizabeth of York, does anyone have anything to say about her early life? Do we know who her godparents were, was her education good etc?

Somehow I don't think Edward and Elizabeth Woodville's kids were very "academic". I think this was a reason why Elizabeth stayed in the background a lot.

Elizabeth Woodville was sent away from court not long after her daughters's wedding. Henry never trusted his mother-in-law She died in the Abbey of Bermondsey in 1492. Elizabeth didn't seem to mind this treatment of her mother. At least she never said anything to Henry....

Well, Elizabeth W's treatment under Henry VII as Dowager Queen was better than it was under Richard III as Dame Grey - I'm sure both she and her daughter were grateful for that. Did Elizabeth see much of her sisters, Anne, Cecily, Briget and Katherine after becoming queen?

Bridget was the nun wasn't she

OK I have dug out a bit of information. Born 11 feb. 1465, the sponsors at her christening were her 2 grandmothers- the Duchesses of York and Bedford, and Edward's mentor, the Earl of Warwick. The earliest authentic notice of her birth was in 1467 when the Manor of Great Lynford in Buckinghamshire was granted to her for life.She was a great favourite of her father but nevertheless, a diplomatic bargaining counter, first betrothed to George Duke of Bedford- Warwick's nephew and later to the Dauphin of France.

Thanks Kim! I remember that, she was actually referred to in England as 'Madam la Dauphine' which made it very humiliating when the engagment was broken off . . .

Ilyala, what a cynic you are!  

And Kim, please tell us more of these birthing rules!

I read somewhere that Margaret B lay down rigid rules regarding the "laying in"of Queens.The Queen would be "secluded" from the court in a bedroom that was pretty airless. Any tapestry on the wall could not contain hunting scenes etc. Food and drink was "prescribed" and adhered to rigidly and the fires were kept blazing night and day. apparently the Laying in chamber was utterly dreaded by the pregnant ladies in question and couldn't have been very conducive to a "happy" labour. Now don't ask me to quote my source because I honestly cannot remember but, egad, those rooms must have stank after a month of sweaty, female bodies and other substances.

I remember reading something like this in David Starkey's account of the birth of Elizabeth I. Could this be your source, Kim?

Yes , it could be a Starkey, i have him on my bookshelves (if you catch my drift) but I seem to remember reading it a long time ago, so That kind of backs up what I said   Phew, it wasn't a dream.

an interesting quote from wikipedia:

"Elizabeth of York is the only English Queen to have been a wife, daughter, sister, niece and mother to English Kings. Elizabeth is also the basis for the queen's picture found in a deck of cards."

Yes, I'd heard that before! Quite a record! No to mention she is the only woman who was grandmother to two English queens regnant while being the daughter of a queen herself.

Yes, I'd heard that before! Quite a record! No to mention she is the only woman who was grandmother to two English queens regnant while being the daughter of a queen herself.

Henrietta Maria was this too (though daughter of a queen of France)!

She was indeed - sorry, I meant only woman to be grandmother to two English queens regnant and daughter of an English queen regnant - sorry, should have made that clearer.

She was indeed - sorry, I meant only woman to be grandmother to two English queens regnant and daughter of an English queen regnant - sorry, should have made that clearer.

Elizabeth was daughter of an English queen consort though.