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Reply #165
« on: February 19, 2006, 07:41:52 AM »
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No, I was sorta thinking that Henry VII would have had her betrothed to Pole so that her claim to the throne would no be challenged because Pole had Plantagenet connections. Another possible husband was Henry Courtenay, Marquess of Exeter (born 1496). The way I see it, little Elizabeth marries Pole, who becomes Henry VIII, and Elizabeth plays the same role as Elizabeth of York - just using her royal blood to ensure the legitimacy of the dynasty. But if she dies childless, her uncle (the real Henry VIII) is king, and Pole looses the title. However, if she and Pole have children, then she dies, he remains king for his lifetime. Does this sound plausible?

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« on: February 19, 2006, 08:48:24 AM »
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No, I was sorta thinking that Henry VII would have had her betrothed to Pole so that her claim to the throne would no be challenged because Pole had Plantagenet connections. Another possible husband was Henry Courtenay, Marquess of Exeter (born 1496). The way I see it, little Elizabeth marries Pole, who becomes Henry VIII, and Elizabeth plays the same role as Elizabeth of York - just using her royal blood to ensure the legitimacy of the dynasty. But if she dies childless, her uncle (the real Henry VIII) is king, and Pole looses the title. However, if she and Pole have children, then she dies, he remains king for his lifetime. Does this sound plausible?

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So Henry VIII is Henry IX and Elizabeth II becomes Elizabeth III!

I still don't think the marriage with Pole would have happened. It would be like admitting they had a better claim (Elizabeth of York - "Yes, I am illegitimate!"), and handing them the throne on a plate. I'm sure Pole would have had Henry Duke of York murdered before he had a chance to become Henry IX.
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« on: February 20, 2006, 01:04:58 AM »
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was everybody that bloody in those days? i mean, henry pole stayed alive during henry 7th reign, didn't he?
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« on: February 20, 2006, 03:09:36 AM »
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He did - but he was only 14 when Henry VII died.

Who do you think the fictional queen would have married Bell? Smiley
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« on: February 20, 2006, 10:07:24 AM »
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He did - but he was only 14 when Henry VII died.

Who do you think the fictional queen would have married Bell? Smiley


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« on: February 20, 2006, 10:08:55 AM »
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And united England, Spain and the Empire?  Shocked
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« on: February 20, 2006, 10:11:36 AM »
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Oh you replied too fast! I was about to change my mind!

I'll have to have a think about it. Maybe there is more than one scenario.......what about Charles's younger brother?
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« on: February 20, 2006, 10:23:04 AM »
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Ferdinand? Born in 1503, also a possibility for 'Aunt Catherine'.  Wink
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« on: February 22, 2006, 04:35:00 AM »
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I already told Liam some time ago, I would go for Henry (VIII) Tudor marrying his niece. It was not rare in those times and it would have fitted perfectly well the situation. Yes, I think there would have been a Tudor-Tudor alliance and, that way, no intruders (like the Poles, Courtenays or powerful Habsburgs) would have inherited the throne of England.

For aunt Catherine I think Pole, Charles V or his brother Ferdinand could have been possible grooms!
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« on: February 22, 2006, 01:14:23 PM »
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Yep, I'd forgotten about that possibility! It wasn't common in the British royal family of course . . .
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« on: February 22, 2006, 02:22:13 PM »
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i sincerely doubt anyone except henry (maybe) would support a marriage between him and his niece... remember what the rumour of a marriage between richard 2nd and elizabeth of york did when it came up... and it was just a rumour...
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