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Offline Lanie

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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2004, 12:14:08 AM »
A scene that's not on VHS is where Tatiana reveals herself to a Bolshevik guard.

I think the scene where the girls are painting with M. Gilliard is sorta cute.  But I don't like that movie in general.

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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2004, 05:47:41 PM »
The image I'm always left with after watching is that of AF rushing to AN bedside, train caught up and oblivious to anyone else but her little boy. That was beautifully shown.

The Egg Irene Worth is handed makes me laugh out loud, utter tack!
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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2004, 06:38:55 PM »
I very much like the scene that generally wasn't in the theatrical cut, but made it into the DVD--and which I believe has been already mentioned by Pravoslavnaya (haven't watched the film since March!)--because it also includes Nicholas calming his children's fears by speaking to them very directly, very rationally, and with a great deal of affection. I liked Michael Jayston throughout the film, and in particular in this scene. Just the kind of man an intelligent woman would want to be the father of her children!

Also, since some of us are commenting on scenes they don't like . . . well, as I flinch at depictions of violence, much of Nicholas and Alexandra does of course disturb me, but especially the crying child during the Bloody Sunday scene; the scene where the rabbit is actually skinned--I look away/plug my ears/turn down the sound/or whatever it takes at that point--plus, of course, the final scene. I usually tune that one out, too, although I appreciate it for the masterful job of editing. All of us know what is coming, but the editor heightens our suspense (and heart rate) by the brutally excellent sequencing of scenes.

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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2004, 07:33:56 PM »
It's been a long time since I saw the film which, like a lot of us, I didn't really like. The scene that has stayed with me though is Nicholas and Alexandra returning to the palace after hearing that their son is ill.  So that no one realises the crisis they walk in a stately, calm way along a red carpert through rows of bowing courtiers until the double doors of their private apartments close behind them. At this point they abandon the pretense and break into a run in order to get to their son.
At least that is the way I remember it. Maybe my memory is influenced by Gilliard's recollections of the Empress at Spala during one of Alexei's health crises running down a corridor with her train in her hands having a few moments before been smiling and gracious to guests.

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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2004, 04:47:04 PM »
   This doesn't really answer the question but I made a fabulous discovery last night.

I put N&A on and watched most the Family scenes towards the end in slow motion with the english subtitles.  

The scene with the Girls in the bedroom after Anastasia has been prattling on about the crack in the paint Olga looks on with  rather an amused expression on her face until the soldier comes in.

The scene where the Family is reading their mail, Olga is very animated. It comes thru more in slow motion maybe because you can catch it.

The scene with Nicholas, Tatiana and Maria is in the main room or Alexie's room. I assumed it was in the hall the Girls room is joined to that one it seems.

The cellar tense as it is when you knew what was going to happen ( not to get off the subject but when I first saw the film I was in high school. I met upwith a friend from school she was there with her father and we were talking she DID NOT know the story and had NO idea of what was going to happen)

In the cellar I noticed before that Ania Marston and Lynne Fredricks are glancing off to the right, Fredericks even has a slight smile on her face. I assumed that this was a way of diverting the actresses so they could get thru the scene after reading about what they had gone thru trying to film.

I noticed also that Anastasia must have been in shock she has no expression on her face nor does she move. I remember from seeing it originally (the dvd is in letterbox) that there was a general pull back at the very end and Anastasia just simply closed her eyes.

Nicholas desperately tries to shield Alexie and is shot initally thru the hand, Alexie slumps but Nicholas does not seem to be harmed even with a wound in his hand.  It almost gives you the impression Alexie was the first to die.

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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2004, 10:09:18 PM »
The director of the film Nicholas & Alexandra Franklin Schaffner's archives has a listing of materials including 50 photographs of the Tsar's family among other photos and postcards:

39/1 Photographs and postcards
39/2 - 39/9 photographs. [279 items] (8 f)
39/10 photographs of the tsar's family [50 items]

http://library.fandm.edu/archives/schaffner/schaffner-movie.html

It would be fascinating to see these not only for the curiosity of what was available to him c1971 prior to the prolifigation of materials after 1980's but also what photos did he use to recreate the interior scenes of the palace for the film.

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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2004, 12:58:12 AM »
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I've never seen that! What other scenes are on the DVD that weren't in the movie?


There are some differences too, in the version that used to be shown on TV and the VHS and DVD releases-most notably, the scene after Alexei's birth in Nicholas and Alexandra's bedroom runs about 5 minutes in the version I taped from TV 20 years ago, whereas it's either missing or greatly edited in both the VHS and DVD releases.  There are some other cuts as well-and I know I was surprised as I expected the DVD to have the complete version, but I think the TV version I taped actually has perhaps 10 minutes more of footage that never made it onto either the VHS or DVD releases.

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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2004, 01:06:54 AM »
My favorite scene was when Alexandra greeted Nicholas after he abdicated and was returned to the palace.  The scene was so sad especially when you know it really happen.

I did not know it was on DVD.  Will have to get it.  

I have the VHS version  but want the DVD.  Also did they ever put the theme music on a album?
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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2004, 06:53:24 PM »
As a film, I personally think it a great.  The acting & production are beautiful.
As is the case with all films based on books, it is an incomplete picture & rather simplistic at best.
Ther will be those who rant & rave against it, but after all, it is just a film. The book won all the prizes, they are seperate works entirely.
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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2004, 07:05:53 PM »
You do not know how lucky you are!

I was just like you until several weeks ago, and then disaster struck. I saw that trashy movie. :o

It was simply horrible. If you want to review it as an actual "movie" and not some stupid pseudo-documentary loosely "based" on Mr. Massie's book -- it was terrible. However when you consider it a "representation" of the book -- it was revolting!

Alix seemed happier as an Ex-Empress. They also made her look like some socially demented woman that couldn't communicate with anyone. That "dance scene" in Tobolsk was beyond comprehension and I am still at a loss for words. ??? The timing of everything was off, but that's to be expected. There was also the usual portrayal of Alix as Rasputin's begging trollop. Dr. Botkin looked more like Lenin. I didn't recognise alot of the landscapes although I did understand what they were trying to get across. The most glaring error was the execution scene -- but I'll leave that for you to find out. :)

Maybe I'm just picky. :-/
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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2004, 07:27:48 PM »
I didn't like it either, mostly for the characterizations of the Imperial Family and some of the, er, more questionable scenes.  These are talked about in the other thread about one's favorite scenes in this movie.

The costuming was very nice, however, I'll admit that!

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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2004, 08:00:36 PM »
My advise to you is to rent the movie, and see what you think. When I first read the book and saw the movie in the early 1970's that was about all there was on the Romanov's. We are more enlightened now.

The book is still far more superior than the movie in everyway.

I would watch it for the lavish sets, the costumes, and ballgowns, and for Janet Suzman's performance.

I was starting to watch it again last night for the sheer joy of it.  :)

Go ahead and rent it and watch it. If you are like me, I read and watch almost everything on the Romanovs.

My fave scene. When the Tsar and Tsarina are walking down the corridor to go to the Dowager Empress's birthday and all the guardsmen are saluting them. The richness of the scene still appeals to me.

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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2004, 08:50:54 PM »
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It was simply horrible. If you want to review it as an actual "movie" and not some stupid pseudo-documentary loosely "based" on Mr. Massie's book -- it was terrible. However when you consider it a "representation" of the book -- it was revolting!


I wouldn't call it terrible but in retrospect it's very stagy and not as epic as it wants to be. It certainly hasn't aged well.

The performances are very good but the characterizations are sometimes way off. As I've mentioned before, aside from the title it doesn't seem like the screenwriter had read Massie's book at all. While Massie was very sympathetic to the Imperial family, the screenwriter (who I believe was William Goldman's brother) didn't even seem to like Nicholas and Alexandra and put in several scenes where we had various people (Keresnky, Witte, Communist Commisar) lecturing Nicholas on what a bad guy he is. Yarovsky the Executioner is made to be a kindly old gent (he wasn't) and the local Ural Soviet apparatchik is made to be a clueless ditherer (which they weren't).  Poor sick Alexis is made to be selfish snot and OTMA are seen but not heard, merely serving as background wallpaper (which may be a good thing considering that disgusting IMO cut scene with Tatiana exposing herself to her guards- a disservice to her memory and definitely NOT in Massie's book).

The definitive movie version of N&A's life has yet to be made I think.



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Re: Nicholas & Alexandra VHS & DVD
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2004, 10:51:15 PM »
Personally it was kinda long and okay.    

I enjoyed a movie on cable a lot more about 4 years ago.  Do not remember the title but it started with the grave being found.  

You hear Alexis saying  " These are the bones of my family"   And it covers the last years of the Russian Royal Family and Rasputin.  

It was really good.
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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2004, 10:54:54 PM »
That was Rasputin with Alan Rickman, and Greta Sacchi.

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