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The Bowes-Lyons
« on: November 03, 2005, 02:15:57 AM »
I've put this here as they are not Windsors, but were descended from the Stuarts (I think from Robert II, but I'm not sure).

I'd like to know more about the Queen Mum's siblings. As you can see from the list they were by no means long-lived. I've never understood why "longevity genes" are always referred to. Fergus was killed in the First World War, and I think it was Michael who was reported killed but turned up a year later (he had been a POW). Any photos?

1.Lady Violet Bowes-Lyon (1882-1893)
2.Lady Mary Bowes-Lyon (1883-1961), m.1910 Sidney Herbert Elphinstone, 16th Baron Elphinstone (1869-1955)
3.Patrick, 15th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne (1884-1949), m.1908 Lady Dorothy Osborne (1888-1946)
4.Honourable John Herbert Bowes-Lyon (1886-1930), m.1914 Honourable Fenella Hepburn-Stuart-Forbes-Trefusis (1889-1966)
5.Honourable Alexander Francis Bowes-Lyon (1887-1911)
6.Honourable Fergus Bowes-Lyon (1889-1915), m.1914 Lady Christian Dawson-Damer (1890-1959)
7.Lady Rose Bowes-Lyon (1890-1967), m.1916 William Spencer Leveson Gower, 4th Earl Granville (1880-1953)
8.Honourable Michael Claude Hamilton Bowes-Lyon (1893-1953), m.1928 Elizabeth Margaret Cator (1899-1959)
9.Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (1900-2002), m.George VI, King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
10.Honourable Sir David Bowes-Lyon (1902-1961), m.1929 Rachel Pauline Spender Clay (+1996)
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2005, 09:06:59 AM »
I cannot find much info on them but I am probably looking in the wrong place. I seem to remember hearing that there was a history of mental problems/disorders/handicaps in the family. Anyone know what I am on about?
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2005, 09:22:57 AM »
It was two daughters of the Hon. John who were confined to a mental institution when they were young. One of them is still living.
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2005, 10:05:49 AM »
Didn't a Bowes-Lyon called Anne marry into royalty? ???
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2005, 10:20:31 AM »
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It was two daughters of the Hon. John who were confined to a mental institution when they were young. One of them is still living.

Thanks Bell ;)
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2005, 10:25:00 AM »
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Didn't a Bowes-Lyon called Anne marry into royalty? ???

Yes, her second husband was Prince Georg of Denmark and she married him in 1950
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2005, 10:29:17 AM »
Thanks.  :)
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2005, 10:29:42 AM »
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Yes, her second husband was Prince Georg of Denmark and she married him in 1950


She was the eldest daughter of the Hon. John:

Anne Ferelith Bowes-Lyon (1917-1980), m.1st 1938 (div 1948) Thomas William Arnold Anson, Viscount Anson (1913-1958), m.2nd 1950 Prince Georg of Denmark (1920-1986)

..and the mother of society photographer Lord Lichfield.

I wonder if she kept in touch with her sisters.
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2005, 10:35:09 AM »
I think she may have her own thread on the Danish board, I'll try to find the link . . . what an odd middle name. Thanks for the info bell.  :)
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2005, 11:02:57 AM »
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2005, 09:18:41 PM »
The problems and mental disorders of the Bowes-Lyon family are also discussed in a thread about Glamis Castle on the Windsor page:

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Windsor;action=display;num=1116004342

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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2005, 03:17:02 PM »
I think that the Bowes-Lyon family was somehow descended from James I's boyfriend, Robert Carr, and Carr's wife, Frances Howard, who were both implicated in the Overbury murder.  Does anyone know of a good genealogy site for the Bowes-Lyons?  Thanks in advance.   :)

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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2005, 03:31:21 PM »
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I think that the Bowes-Lyon family was somehow descended from James I's boyfriend, Robert Carr, and Carr's wife, Frances Howard, who were both implicated in the Overbury murder.  Does anyone know of a good genealogy site for the Bowes-Lyons?  Thanks in advance.   :)


I know a reasonable amount about the Bowes Lyons, as their ancestral home is near where I was brought up in Newcastle upon Tyne!

The Lyons family were originally Glasgow merchants who made it into the nobility in late mediaeval times and became Lords of Glamis, and later Earls of Strathmore.

After the 1715 rebellion they lost a lot of their fortune, because of their support for the pretender. The young Earl of Strathmore made a very good marriage which saved the family. He married the heiress of the Bowes family who were very wealthy colliery owners in the north east of England. A condition of this marriage was that the family be called Bowes Lyon.

The Earls of Strathmore lived at Gibside in County Durham for more than a century. the house is now a ruin, but there is a beautiful 18th C chapel and a gothic folly which can still be visited.
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Re: The Bowes-Lyons
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2005, 10:29:03 AM »
Here's the Bowes' family chapel, at Gibside.

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Re: Bowes-Lyon Family
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2006, 10:45:47 AM »
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Does anyone have any info about the Bowes-Lyon Family, they are one of the most closely related non-royal ducal families in scotland and I want to know more about them. Does QEII and the Duke of Rothesay (Charles) visit them when they go to Balmoral or the surrounding area? Just wondering...

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I don't get the impression they are at all close. The current earl is the grandson of the QM's brother. They recently opened a memorial garden there (at Glamis) though to Princess Margaret, so I guess some of the royals turned up to the opening!
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