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The First Romanov Tsar...
« on: July 20, 2004, 08:04:46 PM »
 was Micheal Romanov...but wasn't he the nephew of Tsar Ivan the Terrible...by MARRIAGE? If that's the case wouldn't that mean that all the Tsars following would be rulers only by marriage too or were there other blood relations thanks to royalty's famous tactic of imbreeding?
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Re: The First Romanov Tsar...
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2004, 09:37:58 PM »
Hello !
Well- Micheal was chosen as Tzar during the Time of Troubles, a particularly tragic period in Russian History. He was kin to Ivan's first wife the beloved Anastasia who may have died of poisoning, and this almost  sentimental  connection was seen as the most popular choice after all the other claiments had either been murdered or otherwize removed ...The Zemski Sobor  (sort of a collection of Boyars) chose him with the Patriarchs blessing  in 1613.

As far as inbreeding goes-- well sadly few royal houses today don't suffer from that to a certain extent.  ;D
There is probably a lot of information about him at this website .

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2004, 12:57:56 AM »
It's Michael, not Micheal.

Michael Romanov was the founder of the new dynasty - the Romanov dynasty - that ruled from 1613-1917. He was a compromise candidate. He had ties to the old regime - as a nephew of Anastasia Romanova, wife of Ivan the Terrible - and few ties to the boyar aristocracy. This was all very deliberate on the part of the Zemsky Sobor. Thus, the Romanovs ruled by virtue of their selection by the Zemsky Sobor, and not by marriages to anyone in particular.

The concept of royal imbreeding is also somewhat falacious, but too extensive to discuss here.

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2004, 05:20:58 AM »
It's Mikhail, not Michael.  ;D

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2004, 08:33:16 AM »
How about we use the word inter-marriage or extensively related? There are a few us here that have difficulty with the term inter-breeding for many reasons.

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2004, 06:50:30 AM »
Why was Kseniya Ivanovna Shestova, mother of Mihail I Fyodorovich, forced to take the veil in 1590, as Sister Marfa?   ???

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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2004, 11:51:05 AM »
Mikhail's mother was forced to become a nun to get her out of the way. Inconvenient woman were forced and would be forced into religious orders to get them out of the way.

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Re: The First Romanov Tsar...
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2004, 05:58:43 PM »
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It's Mikhail, not Michael.  ;D


In Russian, yes. :)
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2004, 11:26:18 PM »
A tsar by any other name would smell as sweet? I am so tired of Michael (Mike- ell) being mispelled as Micheal (Mic - heal), I could scream.

But Michael is Mikhail (Meek-hail) in Russian.

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2004, 08:35:46 AM »
You mean Mikhail is Michael in Russian.

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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2004, 09:53:12 AM »
So, what is "imbreeding" and "inter-breeding"?
It is a simple, glaring fact that the royal familes of the world [not just Europe] practised breeding within their related families. Some so blatantly close as to be il-legal today, if not then. The Romanovs, however, did go through a period of recruiting German brides, but still ended up prettly much in the private gene pool.
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2004, 11:24:51 AM »
As has been mentioned by others, intermarriage among close family members was practised by royalties of many nations, throughout time, as well as by the average citizen (i.e., your ancestors and mine, perhaps?  :D ) who were limited in mate selection due to the lack of transportation and opportunity that we now enjoy today. In addition, you will find numerous works of literature re: the so-called middle classes and upper middle classes in which cousins marry cousins and nobody bats an eye.

BTW, I looked it up in my funky little dictionary--admittedly not the last word, so to speak  ::) --and found, under "inbreeding." the following definition: "the interbreeding of closely related individuals."

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Re: The First Romanov Tsar...
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2004, 01:47:59 PM »
Romanovfan wrote:

[i]was Micheal Romanov...but wasn't he the nephew of Tsar Ivan the Terrible...by MARRIAGE? If that's the case wouldn't that mean that all the Tsars following would be rulers only by marriage too or were there other blood relations thanks to royalty's famous tactic of imbreeding?  
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    I did some genealogical research on the claim of Michael Romanov [Michael I] to the Russian throne. Actually, although he was a great-nephew of Ivan the Terrible [by marriage] that was not his main justification for being able to claim the throne. Michael's paternal grandmother [i.e. the mother of Fedor Romanov] was Feodosiya Alexandrovna Shujskaya, a cousin of Ivan the Terrible and a direct descendant of Rurik.
    So, there was not any absolute extinction of the royal family, or the beginning of a completely new dynasty. The Romanovs were still descendants of the original royal blood. Michael was, in relation to the House of Rurik, the same as George III [Great Britain] was in relationship to the House of Stuart.
    Nicholas II of Russia, therefore, was still a direct blood descendant of the same family that had ruled Russia since the 9th century.


   

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Re: The First Romanov Tsar...
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2004, 01:50:34 PM »
'Scuse me. I didn't mean George III. I meant his ancestor George I, founder of the House of Hanover.

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Re: The First Romanov Tsar...
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2009, 07:51:30 AM »
george the first was not the founder of the house of hanover
Bernhard I Herzog von Braunschweig-L?eburg, +Winsen 1434; m.1386 Margarete (+1418), dau.of Kurf?st Wenzel von Sachsen;  was the founder of the house of hanover or welf